<html aria-label="message body"><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><p class="p1">Brent and Listmates,</p><p class="p1">Yes, I think WAPG can help provide data.</p><p class="p2"><b>A nonintervention probate and a full-intervention probate are not economically comparable.</b></p><p class="p1">Without nonintervention powers, many routine decisions become a process: notice, pleadings, declarations, publications, waiting period, proposed orders, hearings, objections, mandatory return hearings, continuances, and then implementation of whatever the court authorizes.</p><p class="p2"><b>Real estate is the clearest example.</b></p><p class="p1">A PR with nonintervention powers can generally list property, evaluate offers, exercise fiduciary judgment, and close. A PR without nonintervention powers is back in Chapter 11.56: petition, appraisal, required publication(s), waiting period, upset bids, statutory sale procedures, filed return of sale, confirmation pleadings, notice, a hearing, and the 90% of appraised value rule for private sales.</p><p class="p2"><b>That is not a name change; it is a different case.</b></p><p class="p1">Guardianship attorneys who handled guardianship real-estate sales before UGA know exactly what this costs. Former RCW 11.92.090 required guardians to use the RCW 11.56 court-supervised process for real-property sales. The Legislature dropped that in the UGA, but it is still there in the full-intervention probate world.</p><p class="p1">The same is true on annual reporting and probate closing. RCW 11.68.090 exempts a PR with nonintervention powers from the reporting procedures in RCW 11.76.010 through .080. <span class="s1">A full-intervention probate brings those procedures back into the case, making to comparable to a conservatorship.</span></p><p class="p1">I understand the policy concern when a stranger seeks appointment in an intestate estate with no prior relationship to the decedent or the family. Totally agree that caution is warranted there. <span class="s1">But the same risk does not exist from a licensed or certified professional fiduciary.</span></p><p class="p1">EHB 2445 will be turning the intestate probate into something that looks like a Washington conservatorship circa 2019: <span class="s1">extra process and attorneys’ fees, not because anyone is doing anything wrong, but because the process itself requires much more lawyer and fiduciary time.</span></p><p class="p1">To be clear, sometimes court supervision is exactly what a case needs. I have a case right now in which full intervention makes sense because over time we realized the parties need a neutral decision-maker and the fiduciary needs the protection of court orders.</p><p class="p2"><b>Protection has a price (cost to the heirs).</b></p><p class="p3">So if the AGO is evaluating this on the assumption that removing nonintervention powers merely changes the label on the probate, that assumption needs correction. </p><p class="p3"><span class="s1"><b>It fundamentally changes the manner, timing, and cost of administration.</b></span></p><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 7, 2026, at 2:18 PM, Brent Williams-Ruth <brent@williams-ruthlaw.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Listmates - </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I have led a very sheltered life in my practice. It has grown slowly over the last 11 years and though I have had over 500 probates, every single one has thus far been with NIP. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">My talk with the AGO today was....challenging. I need data. They are going to be very hard to convince to made adjustments because they see nothing but scoundrel attorneys who are scamming innocent intestate estates. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Right now - what I need is example of what an NIP probate costs for you/your firm vs. Full Intervention. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">One of the members on the zoom didn't even truly understand what the difference was between the two. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Appreciate any data points. I will not put any names to these figures unless expressly told that I can. </div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent
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