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<p class="MsoPlainText">Our office is working through our first intestate probate since the new code went into effect. One issue,
<i>albeit</i> small, should be clarification regarding how much investigation regarding potential heirs, assets and liabilities needs to be undertaken prior to submitting the petition for probate and request for nonintervention powers. Often very little information
is known by the petitioner until the person has powers to obtain financial information and access other records. The new code is unclear how much initial investigation is "reasonable" in order to submit the petition. One solution might be to require that
the first report shall require an affirmative "confirmation" of scope of the heir search and financial information if there is a substantial variation from the recitals in the petition. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Today's Topics:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> 1. Probate for Profit - REVISIONS DISCUSSION (Brent Williams-Ruth)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 2. Re: Probate for Profit - REVISIONS DISCUSSION (Christopher Neil)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 3. Off Topic Referral for Family Law Attorney (Lisa Kay Mikkelson)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 4. Re: Probate for Profit - REVISIONS DISCUSSION (Diane Kiepe)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 5. Re: Probate for Profit - REVISIONS DISCUSSION<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> (Brent Williams-Ruth)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 6. Re: Probate for Profit - REVISIONS DISCUSSION (Diane Kiepe)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">From: Brent Williams-Ruth <<a href="mailto:brent@williams-ruthlaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">brent@williams-ruthlaw.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: [WSBAPT] Probate for Profit - REVISIONS DISCUSSION<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Greetings List Mates -<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">As an individual member of the WSBA who has history working on the probate for probate bill, I am meeting with those involved from the AGO to talk about obtaining their support for some "revisions" "modifications" "tweeks"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">"amendments" - FIXES to the newly passed law.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I want to hear from you and your experiences. Here is my existing list:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">1) I want to bring back consent and waiver for the listed family members.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Why is it that it is ok for a surviving spouse to consent to the service of someone but all the children cannot get together and agree to let the son's wife who just did this process for her family and knows all the steps.....why should
she have to be a Sub 3 with full intervention?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">2) Can we amended 11.36.010(3) - to specifically indicate that an attorney within one of those types of entities can also serve with NIP/No Bond<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">3) Amending 11.36.010 to include professional guardianship companies. The argument is that they are already bonded and licensed. Just because they may not be appointed through the 11.28.120(2) process doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed
to qualify for NIP.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I plan to share many of the stories that have already come my way, but if you have a specific ask for a revision - send it to me by the start of business on the 7th (this friday) as I will be having my zoom.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To be fully transparent, I am basically advising that I have sponsors that will put this through but I would like the AGO to support these under the guise of.....they broke it, they should support the effort to fix it and make it as
best as possible while still maintaining the integrity of what they wanted to accomplish.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">If you have not heard me speak on this topic - this is a delicate dance.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">There are some issues where the AGO was intractable in their demand for what the legislation should say. My hope is that these specific fixes and the explanation as to WHY - will win the day and have their support.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Brent<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">From: Christopher Neil <<a href="mailto:chris.neil@neillaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">chris.neil@neillaw.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Probate for Profit - REVISIONS DISCUSSION<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:BA3994F8-6D0E-48DC-A083-B853E6EDD50B@neillaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">BA3994F8-6D0E-48DC-A083-B853E6EDD50B@neillaw.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">August 5, 2026<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Brent,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Thank you very much for taking the lead on this. We appreciate it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">On behalf of the Washington Association of Professional Guardians (WAPG), where I serve as President, we support amending RCW 11.36.010 to place individual and agency Certified Professional Guardians and Conservators (CPGCs) in the same
category as attorneys, banks, and trust companies.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">The reasons are simple:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">CPGCs are trained to marshal and protect assets. That is core to what they do.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">CPGCs are certified and actively regulated. They are subject to robust professional standards, discipline, and oversight.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">CPGCs are required to carry errors and omissions insurance. Attorneys serving as personal representatives are not necessarily required to do so.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">CPGCs have substantial hands-on fiduciary experience. They routinely secure property, manage finances, address creditors, account for assets, and work on complex cases with challenging parties.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">CPGCs are often appointed as neutral fiduciaries. Families and attorneys regularly turn to them when an independent professional (e.g. Agent under DOPA) as needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">CPGCs are generally more cost-effective than banks, trust companies, or attorneys performing the same administrative work.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">CPGCs were not the problem HB 2445 was intended to address. Their exclusion appears to have been an oversight.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">This is a narrow fix. WAPG is not asking to weaken HB 2445. We are asking that actively certified individual and agency CPGCs be treated like the other regulated professional fiduciaries already recognized by the statute.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I have attached WAPG?s proposed amendments.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Thank you again for your leadership. WAPG would be happy to participate in any way that would be helpful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Chris Neil, President<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Washington Association of Professional Guardians<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> On Aug 5, 2026, at 1:53?PM, Brent Williams-Ruth <<a href="mailto:brent@williams-ruthlaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">brent@williams-ruthlaw.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Greetings List Mates -<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> As an individual member of the WSBA who has history working on the probate for probate bill, I am meeting with those involved from the AGO to talk about obtaining their support for some "revisions" "modifications" "tweeks" "amendments"
- FIXES to the newly passed law. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> I want to hear from you and your experiences. Here is my existing list:
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> 1) I want to bring back consent and waiver for the listed family members. Why is it that it is ok for a surviving spouse to consent to the service of someone but all the children cannot get together and agree to let the son's wife
who just did this process for her family and knows all the steps.....why should she have to be a Sub 3 with full intervention?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> 2) Can we amended 11.36.010(3) - to specifically indicate that an
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> attorney within one of those types of entities can also serve with
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> NIP/No Bond<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> 3) Amending 11.36.010 to include professional guardianship companies. The argument is that they are already bonded and licensed. Just because they may not be appointed through the 11.28.120(2) process doesn't mean they shouldn't be
allowed to qualify for NIP. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> I plan to share many of the stories that have already come my way, but if you have a specific ask for a revision - send it to me by the start of business on the 7th (this friday) as I will be having my zoom.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To be fully transparent, I am basically advising that I have sponsors that will put this through but I would like the AGO to support these under the guise of.....they broke it, they should support the effort to fix it and make it as
best as possible while still maintaining the integrity of what they wanted to accomplish.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> If you have not heard me speak on this topic - this is a delicate dance. There are some issues where the AGO was intractable in their demand for what the legislation should say. My hope is that these specific fixes and the explanation
as to WHY - will win the day and have their support. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Brent<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">From: Lisa Kay Mikkelson <<a href="mailto:mikkelsonlk@yahoo.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">mikkelsonlk@yahoo.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: [WSBAPT] Off Topic Referral for Family Law Attorney<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:811082295.132760.1785995979331@mail.yahoo.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">811082295.132760.1785995979331@mail.yahoo.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Hello All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I know this is off topic, but I really need some help.?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">My nephew's wife died suddenly this week. I am hoping someone can give me a referral for a Family Law Attorney in the Auburn, King County area. There are 4 children, ages 16, 13, 11, and 6. He has been their father for over 13 years.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">The basics are:?*????wife committed suicide this week;*????2 of the 4 children being raised by husband(my nephew) are not biologically his;?*????16 yr old does not want to live with non-custodial parent due to several issues;*? ? 13
yr old does not know husband(my nephew) is not the biological father; My nephew is trying to hold his kids close to help them process this horrible situation.??<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Any referrals are greatly appreciated.?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Lisa?Kay?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Lisa Kay Mikkelson<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">From: Diane Kiepe <<a href="mailto:diane@kiepelaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">diane@kiepelaw.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I want to share my current story that would be an even worse horror story then it is - is there a fast approaching deadline?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">On Wed, Aug 5, 2026 at 1:53?PM Brent Williams-Ruth < <a href="mailto:brent@williams-ruthlaw.com">
<span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">brent@williams-ruthlaw.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Greetings List Mates -<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> As an individual member of the WSBA who has history working on the
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> probate for probate bill, I am meeting with those involved from the
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> AGO to talk about obtaining their support for some "revisions" "modifications" "tweeks"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> "amendments" - FIXES to the newly passed law.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> I want to hear from you and your experiences. Here is my existing list:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> 1) I want to bring back consent and waiver for the listed family members.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Why is it that it is ok for a surviving spouse to consent to the
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> service of someone but all the children cannot get together and agree
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> to let the son's wife who just did this process for her family and
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> knows all the steps.....why should she have to be a Sub 3 with full intervention?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> 2) Can we amended 11.36.010(3) - to specifically indicate that an
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> attorney within one of those types of entities can also serve with
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> NIP/No Bond<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> 3) Amending 11.36.010 to include professional guardianship companies.
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> The argument is that they are already bonded and licensed. Just
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> because they may not be appointed through the 11.28.120(2) process
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to qualify for NIP.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> I plan to share many of the stories that have already come my way, but
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> if you have a specific ask for a revision - send it to me by the start
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> of business on the 7th (this friday) as I will be having my zoom.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> To be fully transparent, I am basically advising that I have sponsors
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> that will put this through but I would like the AGO to support these
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> under the guise of.....they broke it, they should support the effort
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> to fix it and make it as best as possible while still maintaining the
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> integrity of what they wanted to accomplish.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> If you have not heard me speak on this topic - this is a delicate dance.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> There are some issues where the AGO was intractable in their demand
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> for what the legislation should say. My hope is that these specific
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> fixes and the explanation as to WHY - will win the day and have their support.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Brent<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> *Brent Williams-Ruth* (pronouns: he/him)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> *Attorney-At-Law*<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> *Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, **a division of BWR Consulting,
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> PLLC*<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> *Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> *Mailing Address: **PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA 98063 *<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Office/Scheduling Phone: (253) 285-7751<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">From: Brent Williams-Ruth <<a href="mailto:brent@williams-ruthlaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">brent@williams-ruthlaw.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I am meeting with the AGO tomorrow to ask for their support.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">If you have a specific ask and proposed "fix" - if you want it included in the conversation please send it to me today.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">In case you wondering why I am going back to the AGO. It is because they wrote this bill. It was passed because of the weight of the AGO behind it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Any attempt to change it without getting the AGO to at least agree NOT to interfere with those efforts would mean that it would likely die without even a hearing. My goal is to say - will you a) help me and support these changes, or
b) if you won't help, will you at least not stand in my way and let the legislature know that you don't oppose these changes.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Brent<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">*Brent Williams-Ruth* (pronouns: he/him)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">*Attorney-At-Law*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">*Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, **a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">*Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA 98003*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">*Mailing Address: **PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA 98063 *<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Office/Scheduling Phone: (253) 285-7751<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">For All Meetings & Scheduling: <a href="mailto:info@williams-ruthlaw.com">
<span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">info@williams-ruthlaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">e-mail <<a href="mailto:Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com</span></a>> / website <<a href="http://www.williams-ruthlaw.com/"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">http://www.williams-ruthlaw.com/</span></a>>
/ facebook <<a href="http://www.facebook.com/bwrlaw"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">http://www.facebook.com/bwrlaw</span></a>> /<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">On Thu, Aug 6, 2026 at 9:13?AM Diane Kiepe <<a href="mailto:diane@kiepelaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">diane@kiepelaw.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Brent,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> I want to share my current story that would be an even worse horror
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> story then it is - is there a fast approaching deadline?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Diane Kiepe<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Kiepe Estate and Probate, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <a href="mailto:diane@kiepelaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">diane@kiepelaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> 200 N. Mullan Rd., Suite 203<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Spokane Valley, WA 99206<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> 509-808-2087<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> On Wed, Aug 5, 2026 at 1:53?PM Brent Williams-Ruth < <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <a href="mailto:brent@williams-ruthlaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">brent@williams-ruthlaw.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>> Greetings List Mates -<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> As an individual member of the WSBA who has history working on the
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> probate for probate bill, I am meeting with those involved from the
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> AGO to talk about obtaining their support for some "revisions" "modifications"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> "tweeks" "amendments" - FIXES to the newly passed law.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> I want to hear from you and your experiences. Here is my existing list:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> 1) I want to bring back consent and waiver for the listed family
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> members. Why is it that it is ok for a surviving spouse to consent
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> to the service of someone but all the children cannot get together
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> and agree to let the son's wife who just did this process for her
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> family and knows all the steps.....why should she have to be a Sub 3 with full intervention?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> 2) Can we amended 11.36.010(3) - to specifically indicate that an
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> attorney within one of those types of entities can also serve with
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> NIP/No Bond<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> 3) Amending 11.36.010 to include professional guardianship companies.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> The argument is that they are already bonded and licensed. Just
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> because they may not be appointed through the 11.28.120(2) process
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to qualify for NIP.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> I plan to share many of the stories that have already come my way,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> but if you have a specific ask for a revision - send it to me by the
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> start of business on the 7th (this friday) as I will be having my zoom.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> To be fully transparent, I am basically advising that I have sponsors
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> that will put this through but I would like the AGO to support these
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> under the guise of.....they broke it, they should support the effort
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> to fix it and make it as best as possible while still maintaining the
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> integrity of what they wanted to accomplish.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> If you have not heard me speak on this topic - this is a delicate dance.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> There are some issues where the AGO was intractable in their demand
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> for what the legislation should say. My hope is that these specific
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> fixes and the explanation as to WHY - will win the day and have their support.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> Brent<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> *Brent Williams-Ruth* (pronouns: he/him)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> *Attorney-At-Law*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> *Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, **a division of BWR Consulting,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> PLLC*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> *Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> 98003*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> *Mailing Address: **PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA 98063 *<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> Office/Scheduling Phone: (253) 285-7751<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2026 10:23:30 -0700<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: Diane Kiepe <<a href="mailto:diane@kiepelaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">diane@kiepelaw.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Probate for Profit - REVISIONS DISCUSSION<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> <<a href="mailto:CAOdPf2GU9oqssotpHYEWYh5tZhRToi29+tuhM_fie2O2vWx8pw@mail.gmail.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">CAOdPf2GU9oqssotpHYEWYh5tZhRToi29+tuhM_fie2O2vWx8pw@mail.gmail.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Great plan. I am not sure how to formulate my question at the moment. My sanctions hearing is tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Diane Kiepe<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Kiepe Estate and Probate, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="mailto:diane@kiepelaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">diane@kiepelaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">200 N. Mullan Rd., Suite 203<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Spokane Valley, WA 99206<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">509-808-2087<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">On Thu, Aug 6, 2026 at 10:20?AM Brent Williams-Ruth < <a href="mailto:brent@williams-ruthlaw.com">
<span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">brent@williams-ruthlaw.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> I am meeting with the AGO tomorrow to ask for their support.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> If you have a specific ask and proposed "fix" - if you want it
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> included in the conversation please send it to me today.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> In case you wondering why I am going back to the AGO. It is because
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> they wrote this bill. It was passed because of the weight of the AGO behind it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Any attempt to change it without getting the AGO to at least agree NOT
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> to interfere with those efforts would mean that it would likely die
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> without even a hearing. My goal is to say - will you a) help me and
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> support these changes, or b) if you won't help, will you at least not
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> stand in my way and let the legislature know that you don't oppose these changes.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Brent<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> *Brent Williams-Ruth* (pronouns: he/him)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> *Attorney-At-Law*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> *Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, **a division of BWR Consulting,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> PLLC*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> *Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> 98003*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> *Mailing Address: **PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA 98063 *<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Office/Scheduling Phone: (253) 285-7751<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> For All Meetings & Scheduling: <a href="mailto:info@williams-ruthlaw.com">
<span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">info@williams-ruthlaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> e-mail <<a href="mailto:Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com</span></a>> / website
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> <<a href="http://www.williams-ruthlaw.com/"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">http://www.williams-ruthlaw.com/</span></a>> / facebook
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> On Thu, Aug 6, 2026 at 9:13?AM Diane Kiepe <<a href="mailto:diane@kiepelaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">diane@kiepelaw.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>> Brent,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> I want to share my current story that would be an even worse horror
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> story then it is - is there a fast approaching deadline?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> Diane Kiepe<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> Kiepe Estate and Probate, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> <a href="mailto:diane@kiepelaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">diane@kiepelaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> 200 N. Mullan Rd., Suite 203<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> Spokane Valley, WA 99206<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2026 at 1:53?PM Brent Williams-Ruth < <o:p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>> <a href="mailto:brent@williams-ruthlaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">brent@williams-ruthlaw.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> Greetings List Mates -<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> As an individual member of the WSBA who has history working on the
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> probate for probate bill, I am meeting with those involved from the
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> AGO to talk about obtaining their support for some "revisions" "modifications"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> "tweeks" "amendments" - FIXES to the newly passed law.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> I want to hear from you and your experiences. Here is my existing list:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> 1) I want to bring back consent and waiver for the listed family
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> members. Why is it that it is ok for a surviving spouse to consent
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> to the service of someone but all the children cannot get together
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> and agree to let the son's wife who just did this process for her
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> family and knows all the steps.....why should she have to be a Sub 3 with full intervention?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> 2) Can we amended 11.36.010(3) - to specifically indicate that an
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> attorney within one of those types of entities can also serve with
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> NIP/No Bond<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> 3) Amending 11.36.010 to include professional guardianship companies.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> The argument is that they are already bonded and licensed. Just
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> because they may not be appointed through the 11.28.120(2) process
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to qualify for NIP.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> I plan to share many of the stories that have already come my way,
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> but if you have a specific ask for a revision - send it to me by the
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> start of business on the 7th (this friday) as I will be having my zoom.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> To be fully transparent, I am basically advising that I have
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> sponsors that will put this through but I would like the AGO to
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> support these under the guise of.....they broke it, they should
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> support the effort to fix it and make it as best as possible while
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> still maintaining the integrity of what they wanted to accomplish.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> If you have not heard me speak on this topic - this is a delicate dance.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> There are some issues where the AGO was intractable in their demand
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> for what the legislation should say. My hope is that these specific
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> fixes and the explanation as to WHY - will win the day and have their support.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> Brent<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> *Brent Williams-Ruth* (pronouns: he/him)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> *Attorney-At-Law*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> *Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, **a division of BWR Consulting,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> PLLC*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> *Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> 98003*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> *Mailing Address: **PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA 98063 *<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> Office/Scheduling Phone: (253) 285-7751<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>>> e-mail <<a href="mailto:Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com"><span style="color:#17365D;text-decoration:none">Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com</span></a>> / website
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