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No argument from me, as I think a notary is like a ‘super witness’ in the sense that they actually have a legal obligation TO OBSERVE the signing of the document whereas we all know a witness can be asked to sign a document signed hours or weeks previously
and there would be no way of knowing they did not witness the “signing and dating” this statute requires. (The dating requirement is absurd. Why shouldn’t a preprinted date be sufficient? But I also have a hard time a court would not determine that the signing
of the document is the adoption of its date and constitutes the signing party “dating” the document or some reasoning to reach the sensible conclusion.)</div>
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As you know, this is all worth exactly nothing, but I will also be amazed if there is any case law on this statute unless a family had a lot of money and could somehow freeze a body long enough to get a published opinion on cremation vs. burial, say. Otherwise,
these that have been disputed are, I would surmise, the subject of audio recordings with oral orders and maybe cursory written orders entered later, just given the nature of the dispute this statute would be resolving as to remains.</div>
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But I will LOVE IT if someone tells me I’m wrong and they’ve been involved in one and I’m all wet and there is a written opinion, etc. etc. We shall see . . .</div>
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<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Authorization to Dispose of Remains</font>
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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">In today's version of educational discussion, I would love to here the thoughts on this provision from RCW 68.50.160(3)(b): </div>
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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">As we all know, a POA can be executed in front of two witnesses OR a notary. To comply with this statute, would a notary be be a viable witness?</div>
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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">My thought is yes - even though they are being tasked to perform a notarial act to validate a POA, if that POA includes a provision to permit disposition of remains, then they witnessed the signature
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Any disagreement on that front?</div>
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