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Ann, Occasionally I have run into a judge or Commissioner Pro Tem that is not familiar with the holding in In re Estate of Starkel, 134 Wn. App. 364, 134 P.3d 1197 (2006). I just point them to this de
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Occasionally I have run into a judge or Commissioner Pro Tem that is not familiar with the holding in
<i>In re Estate of Starkel</i>, 134 Wn. App. 364, 134 P.3d 1197 (2006). I just point them to this decision. I wrote an article for our section newsletter back in 2020, attached beginning on page 13, discussing the legislative update which preserved the
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I've probated dozens of wills with witness declarations and never had a problem. Only issue I ran into recently was an out-of-state probate court that did not accept the unnotarized Will as self-proving. I think that court got it wrong, because the Will was
validly executed in Washington and should have been admissible to probate in that state. So if you are concerned your client might move to another state, maybe the path of least resistance is to notarize it.</div>
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<div>The King County Probate Policy and Procedure Manual says that the court will accept a declaration of witnesses under penalty of perjury in lieu of a signature before a notary. </div>
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