<div dir="ltr"><div>Inge - which county was this?</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Ann Manley, Esq.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"></span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">The Manley Law Firm, P.S., Inc.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">PO Box 16324</span><br><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"></span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Seattle, WA 98116</span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"></span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><a value="+12062923064">(206)292-3064</a> / <a value="+12062923914">(206)292-3914</a> fax</span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><a href="http://www.manleyfirm.com" target="_blank">www.manleyfirm.com</a></span></div><p><b style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><i><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The Manley Law Firm practice areas include Bankruptcy*, Estate Planning, Auto Accidents, Civil Litigation, Construction, Commercial and Contract Law, Personal injury, Small Business, Unemployment Claims, Wage Loss and Compensation claims</span></i></b><br></p><p><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:8pt">* The Manley Law Firm is a Debt Relief Agency. We help people file for bankruptcy relief under the Bankruptcy Code.</span></i><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"></span></i></p><p><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">This email and any files transmitted with it are privileged, confidential, and intended solely to whom they are addressed. Any unauthorized use, copying, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender.</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"></span></p></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 6, 2026 at 11:36 AM Inge Fordham <<a href="mailto:inge@fordhamlegal.com">inge@fordhamlegal.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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For what it’s worth, I had a commissioner challenge the declaration format last week when I admitted a will to probate. She wasn’t willing to recognize the will as self-proving until I pointed to the language of the statute. She did admit the will as self-proving,
but I like to keep a printout of the statute with me just in case.</div>
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<b>Date: </b>Friday, March 6, 2026 at 11:29 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
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We do same as Amy, and I switched from notary to Declaration for the self-proving affidavit for the same reason.</p>
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It’s true that the statute allows skipping the attestation clause and using only the self-proving affidavit, but it seems to create a theoretical risk: what if the self-proving affidavit becomes separated from the remainder of the will? It must be affixed to
the will to validate the will. Seems safer to have the attestation clause as part of the will right under the testator’s signature, and the self-proving affidavit as a separate page attached to the will. But the risk also depends on the binding used. Lately
I’ve seen a regrettable number of original wills held together only by a paperclip.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 6, 2026 11:17 AM<br>
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We also have witnesses sign the Will and a separate self-proving witness declaration. During Covid we switched from a notarized affidavit to the declaration format.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 6, 2026 11:14 AM<br>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(33,94,153)">I agree with Inge – my practice is also the belt and suspenders approach.</span></p>
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<span style="color:black">I ask the witnesses to sign below the testator/trix’s signature and also have them sign the affidavit. A notary notarize the witnesses’ signatures. Belt and suspenders.</span></p>
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<b>Subject: </b>[WSBAPT] Witness Attestations and Self-Proving Affidavits</span></p>
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Quick practice question under RCW 11.12.020:</p>
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When using a compliant self-proving affidavit, do you also include a separate witness attestation clause and witness signature lines in the will itself, or do you have the witnesses sign only the self-proving affidavit?</p>
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In other words, is the common practice to (1) have witnesses sign both the will and the self-proving affidavit, or (2) rely solely on the self-proving affidavit permitted by RCW 11.12.020?</p>
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I am more frequently seeing Last Wills which only have a self-proving affidavit and I am curious what others are doing in practice and whether anyone has encountered probate issues using affidavit-only witness signatures.</p>
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