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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Yes, that’s what I do too. Short declaration that says:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">I have reviewed a certified copy of the death certificate of the above-named Decedent and hereby confirm that s^he died on ^date in ^King County, Washington. For reasons
of privacy, I am not filing a copy of the decedent’s death certificate with the court.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wendy Allard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 18, 2025 8:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Denied Order Opening Probate because of Non-Redacted SSN<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For years, I have submitted a declaration that I have a copy of the death certificate and have not had an issue (knock on wood).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Williams-Ruth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 17, 2025 6:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Denied Order Opening Probate because of Non-Redacted SSN<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">considering that I have opened 15 probates since July 1st and this is the only one to be denied.....I believe this is Judge Scott.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I was reminded about a prior post from a long time back about an attorney who submits a declaration regarding their review of the death certificate. I may make up a standard declaration and
do the same thing to avoid this as it is just ridiculous. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 5:42 PM Sandra Perkins <<a href="mailto:sandra@slplaw.net">sandra@slplaw.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Back in 2020, I spoke with the Clerk’s office about uploading (and not e-filing) the death certificate. They specifically
told me NOT to redact anything from the death certificate. It is not e-filed, so it is not public. It is just for the Court Commissioner to review as part of the Ex Parte submission.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Obviously, Brent is being told something different now. Is this a new rule, or just a quirk of Judge Scott’s?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Gay<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 17, 2025 5:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Denied Order Opening Probate because of Non-Redacted SSN<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">For a very long time, I have always redacted the decedent’s Social Security number and mother’s maiden name.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Williams-Ruth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 17, 2025 4:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Denied Order Opening Probate because of Non-Redacted SSN<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I just had Judge Scott in King County deny an order opening probate because I didn't comply with GR 31 and because I did not redact
the SSN from the death certificate. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">First off - question - does anyone redact the SSN before presenting to open for probate? In the 10 years I have been doing this now,
I have never redacted the SSN. Before COVID, I opened cases in person and would just hand up a death certificate. Then came covid and I would upload BUT NOT FILE; then came the new KC Script portal and they have the "additional document" tab where again,
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<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent Williams-Ruth</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> (pronouns: he/him)<br>
<i>Attorney-At-Law</i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, </span></b><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA 98003</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">Mailing Address:</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA 98063 </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Office/Scheduling Phone:<span style="color:#004080"> </span><span style="color:red">(253) 285-7751</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">For All Meetings & Scheduling:
<a href="mailto:info@williams-ruthlaw.com" target="_blank">info@williams-ruthlaw.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="mailto:Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com" target="_blank">e-mail</a> / <a href="http://www.williams-ruthlaw.com/" target="_blank">website</a> /</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="http://www.facebook.com/bwrlaw" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">facebook</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> / </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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