<html><body><div><span style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"></span>I redact the SSN, the mother’s maiden name, and the cause of death/medical information and I’ve never had a problem. </div><div id="ms-outlook-mobile-body-separator-line" data-applydefaultfontstyles="true" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div></div><div style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);">——————</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);">P. Stephen Aita</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);">Attorney at Law</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);">Admitted in Washington & Idaho</div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);">3010 Harborview Dr., Suite 301</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);">Gig Harbor, WA 98335</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);">(253) 858-5434</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);">steve@aitalaw.com</div><div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Aptos, Aptos_MSFontService, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);">Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container" class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message"><hr style="display: inline-block; width: 98%;"><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> on behalf of Sandra Perkins <sandra@slplaw.net><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 17, 2025 5:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Denied Order Opening Probate because of Non-Redacted SSN</span><div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </div></div><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;">Back in 2020, I spoke with the Clerk’s office about uploading (and not e-filing) the death certificate. They specifically told me NOT to redact anything from the death certificate.
It is not e-filed, so it is not public. It is just for the Court Commissioner to review as part of the Ex Parte submission.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;">Obviously, Brent is being told something different now. Is this a new rule, or just a quirk of Judge Scott’s?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;">Sandra Perkins</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> </span></p><div style="padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Gay<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 17, 2025 5:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Denied Order Opening Probate because of Non-Redacted SSN</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">For a very long time, I have always redacted the decedent’s Social Security number and mother’s maiden name.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Why invite identity theft?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify; line-height: 15pt; margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-family: "Bradley Hand ITC";">CARL LLOYD GAY</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify; line-height: 15pt; margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-family: "Palace Script MT";"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Bradley Hand ITC"; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(192, 0, 0); background-color: white;"> Non nobis solum nati sumus</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black; background-color: white;"> </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 7pt; color: black; background-color: white;">“Not unto ourselves alone are we
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<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Denied Order Opening Probate because of Non-Redacted SSN</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">I just had Judge Scott in King County deny an order opening probate because I didn't comply with GR 31 and because I did not redact the SSN from the death certificate. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">First off - question - does anyone redact the SSN before presenting to open for probate? In the 10 years I have been doing this now, I have never redacted the SSN. Before COVID, I opened cases
in person and would just hand up a death certificate. Then came covid and I would upload BUT NOT FILE; then came the new KC Script portal and they have the "additional document" tab where again, I would upload but not file. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">GR 31(e)(1) states that you have to redact any personally identifiable information from documents being FILED with the Court. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Just curious what others do and if you have encountered this before. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Brent</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br>
</p><p class="WordSection1"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><b>Brent Williams-Ruth</b> (pronouns: he/him)<br>
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