<div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">considering that I have opened 15 probates since July 1st and this is the only one to be denied.....I believe this is Judge Scott.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I was reminded about a prior post from a long time back about an attorney who submits a declaration regarding their review of the death certificate. I may make up a standard declaration and do the same thing to avoid this as it is just ridiculous. </div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent
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Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><font size="1">a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC</font></span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></b></p><p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal
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</p><p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="mailto:Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com" target="_blank">e-mail</a> / <a href="http://www.williams-ruthlaw.com/" target="_blank">website</a> /</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="http://www.facebook.com/bwrlaw" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">facebook</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> / </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></p></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 5:42 PM Sandra Perkins <<a href="mailto:sandra@slplaw.net">sandra@slplaw.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg880956271074726664">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Back in 2020, I spoke with the Clerk’s office about uploading (and not e-filing) the death certificate. They specifically told me NOT to redact anything from the death certificate.
It is not e-filed, so it is not public. It is just for the Court Commissioner to review as part of the Ex Parte submission.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Obviously, Brent is being told something different now. Is this a new rule, or just a quirk of Judge Scott’s?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Denied Order Opening Probate because of Non-Redacted SSN<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">For a very long time, I have always redacted the decedent’s Social Security number and mother’s maiden name.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Denied Order Opening Probate because of Non-Redacted SSN</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I just had Judge Scott in King County deny an order opening probate because I didn't comply with GR 31 and because I did not redact the SSN from the death certificate. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">First off - question - does anyone redact the SSN before presenting to open for probate? In the 10 years I have been doing this now, I have never redacted the SSN. Before COVID, I opened cases
in person and would just hand up a death certificate. Then came covid and I would upload BUT NOT FILE; then came the new KC Script portal and they have the "additional document" tab where again, I would upload but not file. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">GR 31(e)(1) states that you have to redact any personally identifiable information from documents being FILED with the Court. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Just curious what others do and if you have encountered this before. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent Williams-Ruth</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> (pronouns: he/him)<br>
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<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, </span></b><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA 98003</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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