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Fascinating. Have our fine state's litigators or civil practitioners or rule writers ever explained why these two adjacent rules describe this scenario so differently? </div>
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Because it sure seems like service 13 days before a hearing date is 10 + 3 days in advance under CR6, and I don't understand how or why CR5 changes that. </div>
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And if these rules are so difficult that our county courts require bizarre scenario tables to assist LAWYERS and JUDGES, how does that create a sensible, efficient and LEVEL playing field for our state's citizens, pro se or otherwise? </div>
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I'm admitted and started my career in Virginia and DC, then moved back here to Idaho and Washington. I've never encountered such confusion -- much less two adjacent rules appearing to address the same issue -- in any state or federal jurisdiction (federal bankruptcy,
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Mind blowing. </div>
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You are very kind to have engaged me, Andrekita. Thank you. Best, Josh </div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b> Andrekita Silva <ak@seattle-silvalaw.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 9, 2025 7:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Joshua McKarcher <josh@mckarcherlaw.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] probate notice via mail - do CR5 and CR6 "work" differently from each other?</span>
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<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Joshua,</span><br>
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<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">If you mailed on Wednesday, September 3, then the date of service is Saturday, September 6.</span><br>
<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">So, you start counting on Sunday. In that event, day 10 is on September 16. That is the earliest day you can hold a hearing.</span><br>
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<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Let's say you mailed on August 29. Monday is a holiday so service cannot be until Tuesday, September 2. In that case, the earliest hearing date is Friday, September 12.</span></div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0px; font-family: monospace;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">This day counting business can get so confusing that Snohomish County has a little calendar that, for purposes of calculating the deadline
for Confirmation of Hearing, literally, it has a grid where it counts the days for you. It says "if your hearing is on xxxx, the this day and time is when you can start confirming, and this day and time is your deadline. It's really helpful.</span><br>
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<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">On 2025/09/09 19:25, Joshua McKarcher wrote:</span></div>
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<div class="pre"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Thank you, Andrekita. In your first example (CR5(b)(2)(A)), what do</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">you "get" if the 2nd is Wednesday, however, instead of Tuesday? That's</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">my hypo. If you mail on Wed. 2nd, is service not "complete" until</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Saturday-forwarded-to-Monday the 7th and then it is only 8 days until</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">the following Tuesday the 15th?</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Whereas under the CR6(a) "method" it seems much simpler: 10+3=13 and</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Wednesday the 2nd is 13 days before Tuesday the 15th.</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">I've either found some black hole into which math goes to die, OR one</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">of these does not mean what I "think" it means . . . . maybe?</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">I have this "feeling" it has to do with CR5(b)(2)(A) and its weird</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">"service is complete" mechanic not applying for probate notices, but I</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">cannot put my finger on WHY I have this feeling.</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">From: Andrekita Silva <<a href="mailto:ak@seattle-silvalaw.com">ak@seattle-silvalaw.com</a>></span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2025 7:17 PM</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>></span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Cc: Joshua McKarcher <<a href="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com">josh@mckarcherlaw.com</a>></span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] probate notice via mail - do CR5 and CR6 "work"</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">differently from each other?</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">September 9, 2025</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Joshua,</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Maybe I am the one missing something. But, if you mailed on 9/2, then</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">service by mail was complete on Friday, September 5.</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">So, now 10 days notice is required. So, CR6 says you can't count the</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">day of the act from which time begins to run.</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">So, start counting on Saturday, 9/6. The 10th day is Monday, September</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">15. So, that is 10 days notice.</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">That's how I count it anyway.</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">CR6:</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">In computing any period of time prescribed or allowed by these rules,</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">by the local rules of any superior court, by order of court, or by any</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">applicable statute, the day of</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">the act, event, or default from which the designated period of time</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">begins to run shall not be</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">included. The last day of the period so computed shall be included,</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">unless it is a Saturday, a</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Sunday or a legal holiday, in which event the period runs until the</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">end of the next day which is</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">neither a Saturday, a Sunday nor a legal holiday. Legal holidays are</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">prescribed in RCW 1.16.050.</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">When the period of time prescribed or allowed is less than 7 days,</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">intermediate Saturdays,</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Sundays and legal holidays shall be excluded in the computation.</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">On 2025/09/09 16:22, Joshua McKarcher wrote:</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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<div class="pre"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">When a probate hearing (such as one for nonintervention powers)</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">requires 10-day notice…</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">CR6(a) states the usual rule that it counts weekends and holidays</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">unless the period ends on one; and (e) states the "mail rule" that 3</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">days are added to the period. This suggests the notice period for a</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">probate pleading is 13 days.</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">But CR5(b)(2)(A) says service by mail is complete 3 days after</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">placed</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">in the mail except when that lands on a weekend or holiday.</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Assume a hearing is on Tuesday the 15th of a month.</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Service mailed out on Wednesday the 2nd is 13 days ahead, which is</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">10</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">+ 3 days, as under CR6.</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">But service mailed out on Wednesday the 2nd is (maybe?) not</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">"complete"</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">under CR5(b)(2)(A) until Monday the 7th (because 3 days after</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Wednesday is Saturday). And Monday the 7th is only 8 days before</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Tuesday the 15th. Is this 2 days shy of the required notice period?</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">I do not litigate enough. What am I missing here? Which method is</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">correct in probate land where a hearing on nonintervention powers</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">must</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">be noticed up 10 days before the hearing and the hearing is on a</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Tuesday?</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Help! Thanks!</span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
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