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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva<br />______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ <br /><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">September 9, 2025</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Joshua,</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Actually, I realize that I was wrong about what happens if the 3rd day after the mail arrives is a Saturday. Both rules say that if the day in question (the third day after placing in the mail OR the last day of the period so computed) lands on a Saturday, Sunday or holiday, then the period runs until the first day that is not a Saturday, Sunday or holiday.</span></div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">So, you were right. If you had mailed something on Wednesday, September 3, service isn't complete until <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Monday</strong></span>. So, the hearing cannot occur until Thursday, September 18. </span></div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">I guess it's been a long time since I mailed a 10 day notice on a Wednesday!!!</span></div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Snohomish County's grid is clearly made for people like me!! Thanks for having asked this question, it will save me from miscounting the next time I mail a 10 day notice! </span></div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Andrekita Silva</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 940</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Seattle, Washington 98101-2509</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">206-224-8288</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:ak@seattle-silvalaw.com">ak@seattle-silvalaw.com</a></span><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">On 2025/09/09 20:47, Joshua McKarcher wrote:</span>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Fascinating. Have our fine state's litigators or civil practitioners</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">or rule writers ever explained why these two adjacent rules describe</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">this scenario so differently? </span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> Because it sure seems like service 13 days before a hearing date is</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">10 + 3 days in advance under CR6, and I don't understand how or why</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">CR5 changes that. </span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> And if these rules are so difficult that our county courts require</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">bizarre scenario tables to assist LAWYERS and JUDGES, how does that</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">create a sensible, efficient and LEVEL playing field for our state's</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">citizens, pro se or otherwise? </span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> I'm admitted and started my career in Virginia and DC, then moved</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">back here to Idaho and Washington. I've never encountered such</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">confusion -- much less two adjacent rules appearing to address the</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">same issue -- in any state or federal jurisdiction (federal</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">bankruptcy, district, or circuit courts of appeal). </span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> Mind blowing. </span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> You are very kind to have engaged me, Andrekita. Thank you. Best,</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Josh </span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> Joshua D. McKarcher </span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> McKarcher Law PLLC </span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> 537 6th Street </span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> Clarkston, WA 99403 </span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> (509) 758-3345 </span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> (509) 758-3314 (fax) </span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> <a href="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com">josh@mckarcherlaw.com</a> </span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> <a href="http://www.mckarcherlaw.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">www.mckarcherlaw.com</a> [<a href="http://www.mckarcherlaw.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">1</a>] </span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">-------------------------</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">From: Andrekita Silva <<a href="mailto:ak@seattle-silvalaw.com">ak@seattle-silvalaw.com</a>></span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2025 7:40 PM</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">To: Joshua McKarcher <<a href="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com">josh@mckarcherlaw.com</a>></span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Cc: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>></span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] probate notice via mail - do CR5 and CR6 "work"</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">differently from each other? </span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">September 9, 2025</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Joshua,</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">If you mailed on Wednesday, September 3, then the date of service is</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Saturday, September 6.</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">So, you start counting on Sunday. In that event, day 10 is on</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">September 16. That is the earliest day you can hold a hearing.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Let's say you mailed on August 29. Monday is a holiday so service</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">cannot be until Tuesday, September 2. In that case, the earliest</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">hearing date is Friday, September 12. </span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">This day counting business can get so confusing that Snohomish County</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">has a little calendar that, for purposes of calculating the deadline</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">for Confirmation of Hearing, literally, it has a grid where it counts</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">the days for you. It says "if your hearing is on xxxx, the this day</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">and time is when you can start confirming, and this day and time is</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">your deadline. It's really helpful.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Andrekita Silva</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 940</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Seattle, Washington 98101-2509</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">206-224-8288</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:ak@seattle-silvalaw.com">ak@seattle-silvalaw.com</a></span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">On 2025/09/09 19:25, Joshua McKarcher wrote: </span><br /><br />
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Thank you, Andrekita. In your first example (CR5(b)(2)(A)), what do</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">you "get" if the 2nd is Wednesday, however, instead of Tuesday?</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">That's</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">my hypo. If you mail on Wed. 2nd, is service not "complete" until</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Saturday-forwarded-to-Monday the 7th and then it is only 8 days</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">until</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">the following Tuesday the 15th?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Whereas under the CR6(a) "method" it seems much simpler: 10+3=13 and</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Wednesday the 2nd is 13 days before Tuesday the 15th.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">I've either found some black hole into which math goes to die, OR</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">one</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">of these does not mean what I "think" it means . . . . maybe?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">I have this "feeling" it has to do with CR5(b)(2)(A) and its weird</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">"service is complete" mechanic not applying for probate notices, but</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">I</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">cannot put my finger on WHY I have this feeling.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">From: Andrekita Silva <<a href="mailto:ak@seattle-silvalaw.com">ak@seattle-silvalaw.com</a>></span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2025 7:17 PM</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>></span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Cc: Joshua McKarcher <<a href="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com">josh@mckarcherlaw.com</a>></span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] probate notice via mail - do CR5 and CR6</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">"work"</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">differently from each other?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva</span><br /><br /></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">September 9, 2025</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Joshua,</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Maybe I am the one missing something. But, if you mailed on 9/2,</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">then</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">service by mail was complete on Friday, September 5.</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">So, now 10 days notice is required. So, CR6 says you can't count the</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">day of the act from which time begins to run.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">So, start counting on Saturday, 9/6. The 10th day is Monday,</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">September</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">15. So, that is 10 days notice.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">That's how I count it anyway.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">CR6:</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">In computing any period of time prescribed or allowed by these</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">rules,</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">by the local rules of any superior court, by order of court, or by</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">any</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">applicable statute, the day of</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">the act, event, or default from which the designated period of time</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">begins to run shall not be</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">included. The last day of the period so computed shall be included,</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">unless it is a Saturday, a</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Sunday or a legal holiday, in which event the period runs until the</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">end of the next day which is</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">neither a Saturday, a Sunday nor a legal holiday. Legal holidays are</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">prescribed in RCW 1.16.050.</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">When the period of time prescribed or allowed is less than 7 days,</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">intermediate Saturdays,</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Sundays and legal holidays shall be excluded in the computation.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Andrekita Silva</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 940</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Seattle, Washington 98101-2509</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">206-224-8288</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:ak@seattle-silvalaw.com">ak@seattle-silvalaw.com</a></span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">On 2025/09/09 16:22, Joshua McKarcher wrote:</span><br /><br />
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">When a probate hearing (such as one for nonintervention powers)</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">requires 10-day notice…</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">CR6(a) states the usual rule that it counts weekends and holidays</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">unless the period ends on one; and (e) states the "mail rule" that</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">3</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">days are added to the period. This suggests the notice period for</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">a</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">probate pleading is 13 days.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">But CR5(b)(2)(A) says service by mail is complete 3 days after</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">placed</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">in the mail except when that lands on a weekend or holiday.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Assume a hearing is on Tuesday the 15th of a month.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Service mailed out on Wednesday the 2nd is 13 days ahead, which is</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">10</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">+ 3 days, as under CR6.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">But service mailed out on Wednesday the 2nd is (maybe?) not</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">"complete"</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">under CR5(b)(2)(A) until Monday the 7th (because 3 days after</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Wednesday is Saturday). And Monday the 7th is only 8 days before</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Tuesday the 15th. Is this 2 days shy of the required notice</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">period?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">I do not litigate enough. What am I missing here? Which method is</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">correct in probate land where a hearing on nonintervention powers</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">must</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">be noticed up 10 days before the hearing and the hearing is on a</span><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Tuesday?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Help! Thanks!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Joshua D. 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