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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">Unless your motion for default was expressly denied, I would start by noting your motion for default for hearing and obtaining an order of default. Then go after
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<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] TEDRA Attorney Fees and default order question<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">I am in need of some guidance. I apologize for the following long post.. but details matter :-) <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">Weird TEDRA attorney fees and costs issue in Kent RJC. I have spoken to a colleague who gave me some ideas and suggested that I also reach out to the listserv to see if anyone has other
thoughts, ideas and or tips. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">Sorry for the long story – I wish I had a Readers digest version:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">TEDRA petition filed naming 3 respondents ( 2 individuals and 1 LLC under agency theory). No respondent appears or responds by deadline. The LLC appears at 2pm the day before the hearing
and we discuss resolving our issues with them. Primary issue is respondents have put their name on a title to home (undue influence). <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">That night before the hearing I file a motion for default against the 2 respondents out of an abundance of caution thinking I might need this even though the TEDRA statute provides for default.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">We resolve the issue with the LLC prior on the day of the hearing and agree to dismiss them. The Court signs an order granting our request for quiet title of home and expressly awards fees
and costs in the order and stating that I am to present to the court at a later date for approval of the amount of reasonable fees and costs. Admittedly, the order we drafted in the court was poorly written. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">The court does not indicate this is a default judgment on the order itself even though we discuss a default on the record based on the fact the respondents (other than LLC) did not appear.
The court tells me that I did not need the previously filed default motion because the TEDRA RCW provides for default under this scenario – so the motion I filed never comes before the court. I have the transcript of the hearing and the court states regarding
the default “You get that even without a motion”<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">So the following week I file the motion and fee declaration by the deadline. The court denies it because I forgot to sign the order – oops. The court says to resubmit the completed order with
signature along with the other documents I filed.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">I refile the corrected order with my other documents (dec and mtn). The court again denies my order but this time stating that <i>"Though a Motion for Default was filed, there has been no Order
of Default entered. Therefor, Respondents are entitled to Notice of the hearing on Petitioner's Motion for fees.”</i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">So here lies the challenge – <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">Do I need to refile Motion for Default or can I move the court for clarification that the original order signed at the TEDRA hearing is a default order? Do respondents who failed to appear
need to be given notice? Doesn’t that give them an unfair and unjustified second bite at the apple? <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">My suspicion is that because I have had 3 different commissioners on this case and the poorly written order, that there is a lack of continuity in following this matter. Based on the last denial
as noted by the court regarding the comment about the default motion, I am assuming that the Court is unaware that the default motion I filed prior to the TEDRA hearing was never before the court and I am simply providing a fee declaration and motion to approve
the reasonable fees. Should I just file a motion and declaration explaining the procedural history and my position that respondents are not due notice and include the fee petition and order? Or?????<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">Court Rules and RCWs do not indicate specifically either way - RCW 11.96 states however that the court may grant petitioners requests without further notice… CR55 does not indicate much
either. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">I am hoping to avoid incurring additional costs to serve respondents and the time associated with that. But if I do have to give notice, can I do certified mail or will it require personal
service being that TEDRA allows for service by certified mail?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">Yes, I am sure I am overthinking this. <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:13.8pt">Thanks in advance.<u></u><u></u></p>
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