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Thanks for the suggestion Bryce. My concern in this situation is the contingent beneficiary on the account is only one of the six people the gifts are intended for. I imagine if my client disclaims a portion that CS would automatically give the funds to that
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1. Disclaiming CS Accounts? (Corrie Bosman)<br>
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3. Estate opened, settlement in wrongful death reached, minor<br>
sibling turned 18 and need to discharge GAL (Dalynne Singleton)<br>
4. Searching for Last Will & Testament of Susan C. Schrader<br>
(Inge Fordham)<br>
5. Referral Help (Thomas Fiscus)<br>
6. Legal Description of Property (Jordan Kostelyk)<br>
7. Re: Legal Description of Property (Mark Anderson)<br>
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2025 19:48:39 +0000<br>
From: Corrie Bosman <cbosman@sitkalegal.com><br>
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I am working with a client who lost her partner of 40 years (they were never married). His Will, in which client is named as executor, makes $1 million in specific gifts (to 6 individuals) HOWEVER he has no probate assets in that everything he owned was jointly
titled or transferred via beneficiary designation to my client. His estate is about $5.5 million of which $800K (50%) is the value of the home which transferred via JTWRS and that my client wishes to keep, and the remainder is in Charles Schwab accounts ($700K
in an IRA and the remaining in brokerage accounts.) My client wants to honor the decedent's wishes as to the gifts, but I am unsure how to do this without tax implications for my client as I believe we would need to transfer the CS funds to her and have her
make the gifts and deal with filing gift tax returns. Is there a way for her to disclaim $1 million from the CS accounts to make the gifts? Has anyone done something like this with CS or a similar institution that may<br>
be willing to chat with me or have other suggestions on how to best approach this?<br>
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2025 20:19:46 +0000<br>
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I would disclaim the one million on behalf of the client in which case it would go to the deceased joint tenants estate and then would be distributed according to that person's will.<br>
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I am working with a client who lost her partner of 40 years (they were never married). His Will, in which client is named as executor, makes $1 million in specific gifts (to 6 individuals) HOWEVER he has no probate assets in that everything he owned was jointly
titled or transferred via beneficiary designation to my client. His estate is about $5.5 million of which $800K (50%) is the value of the home which transferred via JTWRS and that my client wishes to keep, and the remainder is in Charles Schwab accounts ($700K
in an IRA and the remaining in brokerage accounts.) My client wants to honor the decedent's wishes as to the gifts, but I am unsure how to do this without tax implications for my client as I believe we would need to transfer the CS funds to her and have her
make the gifts and deal with filing gift tax returns. Is there a way for her to disclaim $1 million from the CS accounts to make the gifts? Has anyone done something like this with CS or a similar institution that may<br>
be willing to chat with me or have other suggestions on how to best approach this?<br>
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Thanks!<br>
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Law Office of Corrie J. Bosman, PLLC<br>
Serving clientele in Alaska and Washington<br>
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P.O. Box 1745<br>
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2025 20:51:41 +0000<br>
From: Dalynne Singleton <dalynne@glgmail.com><br>
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Estate opened, settlement in wrongful death reached,<br>
minor sibling turned 18 and need to discharge GAL<br>
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I have a case in which I opened probate for wrongful death claims to be made. The case has settled and a SGAL was appointed but now the minor has turned 18 before any report or hearing was set for the distributions.<br>
Does someone have a sample stipulation/order to discharge the GAL now that the minor turned 18 so that I can close the probate and make final distributions?<br>
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2025 20:55:41 +0000<br>
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I am searching for the original Last Will and Testament of Susan C. Schrader. It is believed to have been drafted by Douglas Kaukl (now deceased) or Werner Boettcher (now retired) in or around September 2011. If you have any information regarding the Last
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2025 23:00:02 +0000 (UTC)<br>
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I have a PC who needs at attorney with experience in elder abuse situations.? Skagit and Whatcom counties preferred, but not critical.? PC's mother was apparently preyed upon by a caregiver, who appears to have made a career of such things.? Referrals, including
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I am wondering where do you get the legal description of property for your PR Deeds? Is it acceptable to use the description from a prior deed for the same property?<br>
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 17:08:23 +0000<br>
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Jordan ? I recommend that you use the same legal description that was on the deed under which the Decedent took title. After all, the PR can only convey what the Decedent owned.<br>
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I am wondering where do you get the legal description of property for your PR Deeds? Is it acceptable to use the description from a prior deed for the same property?<br>
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Is it advisable to contact a title insurance company before executing a PR<br>
deed? And does it matter if the transfer is intra-family vs. to a third<br>
party purchaser?<br>
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Ann Manley, Esq.<br>
The Manley Law Firm, P.S., Inc.<br>
PO Box 16324<br>
Seattle, WA 98116<br>
(206)292-3064 / (206)292-3914 fax<br>
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On Wed, Jul 2, 2025 at 10:08?AM Mark Anderson <marka@mbaesq.com> wrote:<br>
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> Jordan ? I recommend that you use the same legal description that was on<br>
> the deed under which the Decedent took title. After all, the PR can only<br>
> convey what the Decedent owned.<br>
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> *Mark B. Anderson *ANDERSON LAW FIRM PLLC<br>
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> Hello all,<br>
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> I am wondering where do you get the legal description of property for your<br>
> PR Deeds? Is it acceptable to use the description from a prior deed for the<br>
> same property?<br>
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> Jordan<br>
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 17:27:53 +0000<br>
From: Eric Nelsen <eric@sayrelawoffices.com><br>
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Legal Description of Property<br>
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Depending on the county and how old the last deed of record is, you might need to contact the customer service department of a title company in order to get the last deed. But for many counties you can find them by checking the assessor?s tax parcel records,
which often includes a link to deeds from prior transfers of the parcel.<br>
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Keep in mind that legal descriptions can change though, via boundary line adjustments, adverse possession litigation, subdivision of a larger parcel, condemnation of a new public right-of-way, etc. The older a last deed is, the more important it is to check
with the client and ask them whether there has been any alteration to the property lines since the decedent received it.<br>
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If the Estate is selling the property, there will always be a title company involved so you?re safe using the legal description that the title company provides?no need to search for a last deed.<br>
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If it?s a distribution to heirs, it?s a judgment call on whether to ask for a title company?s help, based on how confident everybody is that the legal description hasn?t changed since the last deed of record.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
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Eric<br>
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Eric C. Nelsen<br>
Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<br>
1417 31st Ave South<br>
Seattle WA 98144-3909<br>
206-625-0092<br>
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From: wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of Ann Manley<br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2025 10:13 AM<br>
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Legal Description of Property<br>
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Is it advisable to contact a title insurance company before executing a PR deed? And does it matter if the transfer is intra-family vs. to a third party purchaser?<br>
<br>
Ann Manley, Esq.<br>
The Manley Law Firm, P.S., Inc.<br>
PO Box 16324<br>
Seattle, WA 98116<br>
(206)292-3064 / (206)292-3914 fax<br>
www.manleyfirm.com<<a href="http://www.manleyfirm.com">http://www.manleyfirm.com</a>><br>
<br>
The Manley Law Firm practice areas include Bankruptcy*, Estate Planning, Auto Accidents, Civil Litigation, Construction, Commercial and Contract Law, Personal injury, Small Business, Unemployment Claims, Wage Loss and Compensation claims<br>
<br>
* The Manley Law Firm is a Debt Relief Agency. We help people file for bankruptcy relief under the Bankruptcy Code.<br>
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On Wed, Jul 2, 2025 at 10:08?AM Mark Anderson <marka@mbaesq.com<mailto:marka@mbaesq.com>> wrote:<br>
Jordan ? I recommend that you use the same legal description that was on the deed under which the Decedent took title. After all, the PR can only convey what the Decedent owned.<br>
<br>
Mark B. Anderson<br>
ANDERSON LAW FIRM PLLC<br>
821 Dock Street, Suite 209, PMB 4-12<br>
Tacoma, Washington 98402<br>
+1 253-327-1750<br>
+1 253-327-1751 (fax)<br>
marka@mbaesq.com<<a href="mailto:marka@mbaesq.com">mailto:marka@mbaesq.com</a>><br>
www.mbaesq.com<<a href="http://www.mbaesq.com/">http://www.mbaesq.com/</a>><br>
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Legal Description of Property<br>
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Hello all,<br>
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I am wondering where do you get the legal description of property for your PR Deeds? Is it acceptable to use the description from a prior deed for the same property?<br>
<br>
Jordan<br>
<br>
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