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<p class="MsoNormal">I started getting citations issued that compel productions and in-person appearances like a subpoena duces tecum with a 30(b)(6) representation and include the threatening sounding language in the citation statute (11.48.070):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Such party may be brought before the court by means of citation such as the court may choose to issue, and
<b><u>if he or she refuses to answer such interrogatories as may be put to him or her touching such matters, the court may commit him or her to the county jail, there to remain until he or she shall be willing to make such answers.<o:p></o:p></u></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Targeted companies get lawyers involved quickly and we get what we want and are entitled to. All the tech companies are like this, in my experience. I just go straight to getting a citation issued and don’t spend time on any sort of voluntary
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Williams-Ruth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 10, 2025 10:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Google rejecting Order because it is signed by a Commissioner and not a Judge<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I have also battled this before - and even attempted (on my own before I was heavily involved in the Section and the WSBA) to get the law changed to add TEETH.....only
to be stopped short by Frank Chopp and Jamie Pedersen. That said - make sure you are getting the order from the statute which I just reviewed DOES NOT SAY a Judge, but an order from the Court. </span></span><br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.120.070">https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.120.070</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Please also, if you feel so inclined, write your representatives and state senator and ask them to put TEETH into this act. It says they SHALL comply, but there is
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I did this dance with Apple and it took NINE MONTHS to get access. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent Williams-Ruth</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> (pronouns: he/him)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 9:12<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Argh. Bureaucrats. That’s as stupid as the “sovereign citizen” movement where they claim a court doesn’t have proper jurisdiction over them because
there is no fringe on the flag in the corner of the courtroom.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’d refer them to RCW 2.24.050 and note that the order is a valid order of the superior court as of 10 days after entry. And ask for a review by a
supervisor, and if they still persist, tell them if they don’t comply with a valid superior court order and force you to get a second order, you’ll ask for attorney fees and costs as a sanction for a frivolous objection.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Somebody a while back did a deep dive on the statutory and (state) constitutional basis for commissioners’ authority. Does anyone remember that article?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sincerely,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Julie Martiniello<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 10, 2025 8:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Trust and Probate Section <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Google rejecting Order because it is signed by a Commissioner and not a Judge</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have a probate where we need access to a gmail account. We have an order signed by the court with all the requirements Google sent, but Google is rejecting it since it is signed
by a Commissioner and not a "Judge". In King County, almost all of our orders in probates are signed by Commissioners. Is anyone aware of a way I can get a Judge to sign the order absent going the TEDRA route and I guess pursuing Google in that manner? It
seems like a huge waste of resources. <o:p></o:p></p>
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