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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There is no way to submit a claim without either an open probate or commencement of the notice agent process under Ch. 11.42 RCW.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">However, the judgment lien on real property is still valid and can be executed upon, even without a creditor claim. RCW 11.40.135.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If a creditor becomes PR, they have all the same duties as any other PR—an unwelcome job to be sure, but unfortunately there is no way to be the PR without fulfilling all duties. And if the PR needs to submit
a creditor claim, they have to get it approved by the court via a TEDRA proceeding, per RCW 11.40.140.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">1417 31st Ave South<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Seattle WA 98144-3909<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">206-625-0092<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#467886">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Amy Goertz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2024 9:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Creditor Opening Probate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have an individual who is owed money on a judgment against a person who has now died post-judgment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The surviving spouse of decedent has not started a probate and perhaps is not going to.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is there a way to submit a claim? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If a creditor starts a probate, are the PR duties of the creditor different than a normal PR or do they have to marshall the assets and deal with other creditors in the same way?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance for your input.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:black">Amy</span></i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:black">Amy J. Goertz, J.D.</span></i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:black">Goertz & Lambrecht PLLC</span></i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:amyjgoertz@icloud.com"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">amyjgoertz@icloud.com</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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1.877.684.1627 fax<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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