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<p class="MsoNormal">Counsel for Attorney in Fact says that he met with the attorney in fact before the young man’s death and she signed the deed as POA and delivered it to him for recording.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, he states that the deed was “delivered” but the actual recording was delayed because he was out of town.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have done quite a bit of research and the cases I am finding where the Grantor signed a deed and delivered it to an attorney for later recording are deemed to have been “delivered” and are valid with the post-death recording.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do you have speciffic authority when it is a POA rather than the Grantor? Because I have not been able to find that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">There is no authority to the POA agent to record after death… you should research this issue as I had this come up in several Estates in the past. Recording a deed after death,
even if signed before death, is not appropriate and needs the PR to sign to record. In Washington state, if the grantor has passed away, the deed becomes void, and the property remains with the grantor’s estate. If the intention is for the property to go
to the heirs of the deceased grantor, a new deed must be executed to convey it to them and would be signed by the PR of the Estate in that capacity. This legal principle ensures that property transfers are valid and properly documented. In your case, the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[WSBAPT] DPOA Post Death Transfers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Young man was in hospital several years ago and signed POA while recovering. Never revoked even though he was fully mentally capable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">DPOA has a clause that states it is ok for Attorney-in-Fact to make transfers to self, specifically even states that AIF can gift or transfer real property to self.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Attorney-in-Fact was signer on bank account as POA. Not beneficiary of account. POA used account to help pay bills for decedent.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Young man bought a house, moved in with girlfriend, then married girlfriend.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Shortly after marriage, young man died in tragic accident.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">After death, AIF transferred bank funds to self and recorded deed transferring house from young man’s name alone to his name with JTWROS with AIF. Deed has date before death, recorded after death. Prepared with signature line only for AIF.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">AIF Counsel says deed was signed by AIF prior to young man’s death and was delivered to him for recording prior to death; says house is non probate asset.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">AIF has now brought eviction action to remove wife from house.<o:p></o:p></p>
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