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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Please respond to the list. </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Marsha</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#333300">Marsha C. Hudson</span></b><span style="color:#333300"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333300">(She/her/hers)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333300">Attorney at Law #23330</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333300">3221 NW 62<sup>nd</sup> Street, Seattle, WA 98107</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333300">Telephone: 206-297-3933</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333300">Fax: 206-357-9356<br></span><span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:marsha@griffyn.us" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333300">marsha@griffyn.us</span></a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333300">Life's most persistent and urgent question is: What are you doing for others? -</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333300"> Martin Luther King, Jr.<br><br>This e-mail may contain information that is protected by attorney-client, work product and/or other privileges. 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If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact me immediately and return the email by forwarding it to this office at </span><span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:marsha@griffyn.us" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333300">marsha@griffyn.us</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333300"> and then deleting the e-mail.<br></span><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#333300">P</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333300"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333300">Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua McKarcher<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 6, 2023 4:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] PRs/TTEEs hiring own children as estate employees</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Elderly co-PRs and co-trustees of a joint probate hired their own underemployed children – who were already beneficiaries, with the co-PRs, of 50% of the estate – to administer a single home, two cars, a couple bank accounts, and the usual tangible personal property (in non-metropolis Clarkston, mind you).</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Thus, that “50% of the estate” has charged a <u>$200,000 net</u> estate <u>over $15,800</u> in time and mileage for 4 people to clean the house, shop, run around town, etc. (This is <u>additional</u> to the $12,000 in reimbursed expenses the PRs advanced, and $8,000 in legal fees and costs.)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Fun facts:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Over $8,000 of the fees are of the son and daughter, not the two PRs/trustees.</span></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">All 4 charged $20/hour for all services. </span></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">All hours on all 4 timesheets are in <u>whole numbers</u>, as is all mileage. (Along with mileage are charges for gas fill-ups. Woohoo!) </span></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">2 hours for each bank visit, often by both PRs.</span></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">10+ days of the daughter charging 8 hours flat with narrative: “cleaning.”</span></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The two kids’ “timesheets” were constructed recently, by reference to calendars and texts, as they didn’t realize they needed to have kept contemporaneous time records. The co-PRs’ at least were apparently kept contemporaneously, even if generously (by virtue of the rounding).</span></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I have never encountered this. I do not object to fiduciary or lawyer fees; it’s not my norm at all. But this feels “off.”</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">If you have any experience with addressing such apparent nepotism and potential double dipping – or, even if you have a point of view about its reasonableness or how on earth one might determine what IS reasonable in such a case – I’d be grateful for your two cents.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I’d even sleep better to be told this is perfectly normal and that co-fiduciaries with non-intervention powers can hire anyone they want, etc., and no Washington caselaw is going to say otherwise.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Thanks, Josh </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Joshua D. McKarcher</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">McKarcher Law PLLC</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">537 6th Street</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Clarkston, WA 99403</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(509) 758-3345</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(509) 758-3314 (fax)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com"><span style="color:#0086f0">josh@mckarcherlaw.com</span></a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="http://www.mckarcherlaw.com/"><span style="color:#0086f0">www.mckarcherlaw.com</span></a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p></div></body></html>