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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/apply-for-an-employer-identification-number-ein-online">Apply for an Employer Identification Number (EIN) Online | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov)</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hello everyone, You can just go on line and apply for one. I do this all the time with probate to get an estate EIN and I have the PR do it at my office or with my instructions over the phone while he or she is filling out the screens. Simple. It says Employer Identification Number, but as you go through the screens, there is an option for an estate EIN with the PR applying.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>You get the EIN via email in a matter of minutes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Susan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>SUSAN DONAHUE<o:p></o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal>Law Office of Susan Donahue<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>125 West 2nd Avenue, Suite "B"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>P.O. Box 81<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Twisp, WA 98856<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:sdonahue@sdonahuelaw.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>sdonahue@sdonahuelaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>509-996-5944 (phone)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>509-362-9692 (fax)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sarah Cuellar<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 25, 2023 8:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Getting an EIN<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Instructions for the SS-4 (paper form to get an EIN) show that you may be able to apply via phone if you have your client pre-sign the form authorizing you as the third party designee. From this webpage: <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=gmail-inlinehd style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in;box-sizing:border-box'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=gmail-inlinehd style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in;box-sizing:border-box'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'>Apply by telephone—option available to international applicants only.</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in'><span class=gmail-inlinep><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'>If you have NO legal residence, principal place of business, or principal office or agency in the U.S. or U.S. possessions, you may call 267-941-1099 (not a toll-free number), 6:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. (Eastern time), Monday through Friday, to obtain an EIN.</span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in;box-sizing:border-box'><span class=gmail-inlinep><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'>The person making the call must be authorized to receive the EIN and answer questions concerning Form SS-4. Complete the Third Party Designee section only if you want to authorize the named individual to receive the entity’s EIN and answer questions about the completion of Form SS-4. The designee’s authority terminates at the time the EIN is assigned and released to the designee. You must complete the signature area for the authorization to be valid.</span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><h3 style='mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:0in'><a name=idm139898072340272></a><span class=gmail-inlinep><span style='font-family:"inherit",serif;color:#1B1B1B'>Note.</span></span><span style='font-family:"inherit",serif;color:#1B1B1B'><o:p></o:p></span></h3><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in'><span class=gmail-inlinep><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'>It will be helpful to complete Form SS-4 before contacting the IRS. An IRS representative will use the information from Form SS-4 to establish your account and assign you an EIN. Write the number you're given on the upper right corner of the form and sign and date it. Keep this copy for your records.</span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in;box-sizing:border-box'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in;box-sizing:border-box'><span class=gmail-inlinep><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'>If requested by an IRS representative, mail or fax the signed Form SS-4 (including any third-party designee authorization) within 24 hours to the IRS address provided by the IRS representative.</span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in;box-sizing:border-box'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'><img border=0 width=54 height=54 style='width:.5625in;height:.5625in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://www.irs.gov/pub/xml_bc/caution.gif"></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in;box-sizing:border-box'><span class=gmail-inlinep><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'>The IRS no longer issues EINs by telephone for domestic taxpayers. Only international applicants can receive an EIN by telephone.</span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 4:02 PM Ken Luce <<a href="mailto:Ken.Luce@lucelawfirm.com">Ken.Luce@lucelawfirm.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D2228'>The PR is a Canadian citizen. The EIN number form won't accept his 9 digit soc number. Any Suggestions?Can I use a third partys soc sec no/</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D2228'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1D2228'>Kenyon Luce</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Kenyon Luce</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Luce & Associates, P.S.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>5308 12<sup>th</sup> St E</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Tacoma, WA 98424</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>T: (253) 922-8724</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>F: (253) 922-2802</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://www.lucelawfirm.com/" target="_blank"><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>www.LuceLawFirm.com</span></b></a><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span></b><a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Luce-Kenney-Associates-PS/200703820101348" target="_blank"><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=24 height=24 style='width:.25in;height:.25in' id="m_-4788786430122714932Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.gif@01D9D731.083683A0" alt=e943ecc8-5be2-4768-a17e-1b829b908afe></span></b></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>IMPORTANT NOTICE TO EMAIL RECIPIENTS</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>1. 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