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Hi Phil,</div>
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In my experience, they usually do disclose the price. And "Yes" this is a sophisticated business practice and they can be aggressive.</div>
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I once had a Co-PR who was offended by the practice and dug up a law review article about proposed legislation to tighten up practices. analogous to the infamous PayDay check cashing places. </div>
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Bruce</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 16, 2023 3:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] third party 'advance'</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Very interesting situation. I have never had such a situation, but I have heard occasional comments from those who have.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Despite my ignorance, I do have a few comments/questions:</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I assume the vendor is requiring the heir to suffer a deep discount in order to gain an acceleration of the (reduced) inheritance. I assume you will see a copy of an
assignment, but I also assume that the price being charged will not be disclosed. The price will be in a separate confidential document. At least that is my guess.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Is there a will, or is this intestacy? If it is a will, does it have a spendthrift clause that might interfere with this arrangement? All of the trusts I draft, and
all of the wills I draft, have spendthrift clauses. At least last time I looked.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I would guess that the vendor is very familiar with spendthrift clauses. And I would guess that they have legal counsel who is adept at getting around spendthrift clauses.
Or perhaps they avoid estates that have spendthrift clauses? </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I once had a trust where a beneficiary went through bankruptcy, and an “investor” back east purchased the interest of the beneficiary from the bankrupt estate. I did
not think the purchase was valid, due to the spendthrift clause, but the investor was very aggressive and another family member ended up buying out the investor just to get rid of him. The investor appeared to be in the business of such purchases. And I
am somewhat certain that the vendor in this case is in that exact business and knows how to be aggressive.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Again, this is based on very little real knowledge. I hope someone with some serious experience will enlighten us all.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Or maybe I should go into this business after I retire . . . . but maybe I need to learn a little bit more about it.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Phil Jones</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="">From:</span></b><span style=""> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 16, 2023 2:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Probate and Trust Listserve <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] third party 'advance'</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">An heir in one of our probates has requested an advance of part of his inheritance by soliciting same from a third party vendor who would get repaid when the inheritance is distributed. What perils and pitfalls should we be considering?</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">Roger Hawkes, WSBA # 5173</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">Sky Valley Lawyers, PLLC</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">Physical Address: 423 Main Street</span></p>
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