<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">Responding off digest - copied the pertinent commentary below signature</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">In my humble opinion:</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I would just skip the potential for running afoul of any rules (attorney-specific or credit card related, or potential statute (not sure about that one, but have heard legislatures in various locations have at least considered barring such charges))</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">And at end of day - consider the "cost" in your client relations. Who likes feeling nickeled & dimed? Seems particularly grating when already paying a hefty fee for services. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I have seen attorneys do cash discounts, but - personal opinion only - always seemed a bit "cheap" to me, better suited to retail than professional services. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">Figure out your admin needs, and work that in to your rate. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">Or look at it another way. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">This helps you, so why not take the hit, and likely SAVES you money. I think we often miss the forest for the trees.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I did not raise my rates when I added in CC payments, but I consider the minor cost shaved off the total well worth the reliability and ease and cost savings for ME. I know when the money comes in that it's there, have found that I get paid quicker, and am not processing/running to the bank to deposit checks (which has a cost), having to wait some undefined time before using trust funds (as required to ensure the funds are there), etc.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="Trebuchet MS" size="2">Carmen Rowe<i><br><div><br></div><div><img width="200" height="71" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4yaIwO8NwDh1yJGQWP1qK1vhwcBcK5yYclhzfMrEc3GuEfI5eiJ-wA30feUaQTq_2U2bQPszU4"><br></div></i></font></div><div><font face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><br></font></div></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#660000" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></font></div><div><font color="#660000" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Phone: (360) 669-3576 (direct cell)<br></font></div><div><font color="#660000" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2">Email: Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com<br><br></font><span><font color="#660000" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b>Olympia/Lacey and primary mailing office:</b></font></span></div><div><span><font color="#660000" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">1415 College Street SE, Lacey, WA 98503<br></font></span></div><div><b style="color:rgb(102,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet MS""><br></b></div><div><b style="color:rgb(102,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet MS"">Seattle office: <i>We are currently moving our Seattle location - notice of new address coming soon!</i></b><span><font color="#660000" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></font></span></div><div><br></div><div><b style="color:rgb(102,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet MS"">NOTICE REGARDING OPERATIONS AND COVID-19:</b><font color="#660000" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"> </span>We see our community as working together to address COVID and its impact on our lives, health, and business. 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You will get little or no pushback from your rate increase but a firestorm of protest for the added fee.<br><br>Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone<br>Get Outlook for Android<<a href="https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg</a>><br>________________________________<br>From: <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> on behalf of Roger Hawkes <<a href="mailto:roger@skyvalleylawyers.com" target="_blank">roger@skyvalleylawyers.com</a>><br>Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2023 3:20:05 PM<br>To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Credit card charges<br><br><br>The opinion is 11 years old. Have the vendors changed their rules?<br><br><br><br>From: <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> On Behalf Of Mark Anderson<br>Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 11:57 AM<br>To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Credit card charges<br><br><br><br>I haven't added any such language to my fee agreement. If I was going to do so, I would first take a look at WSBA Advisory Opinion 2214, which deals with charging credit card transaction fees to the Client.<br><br><br><br>Here is the link to that opinion: <a href="https://ao.wsba.org/print.aspx?ID=1660" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ao.wsba.org/print.aspx?ID=1660</a><br><br><br><br>Mark B. Anderson<br>ANDERSON LAW FIRM PLLC<br>821 Dock St Ste 209 PMB 4-12<br>Tacoma, Washington 98402<br>+1 253-327-1750<br>+1 253-327-1751 (fax)<br><a href="mailto:marka@mbaesq.com" target="_blank">marka@mbaesq.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:marka@mbaesq.com" target="_blank">marka@mbaesq.com</a>><br><a href="http://www.mbaesq.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.mbaesq.com</a><<a href="http://www.mbaesq.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.mbaesq.com/</a>><br><br>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<br>This transmission is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual named recipient. It may be protected by the attorney-client privilege, work product doctrine, or other confidentiality protection. If you are not the intended recipient, or the person responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, be advised that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. 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Thank you.<br><br><br><br>From: <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>> On Behalf Of Ken Luce<br>Sent: 07/28/2023 11:17 AM<br>To: 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv' <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>><br>Subject: [WSBAPT] Credit card charges<br><br><br><br>Has anyone added language to their fee agreements that includes adding the credit card charge if debit or card used to pay bill? If so, would you please send me the language.<br><br><br><br>Kenyon Luce<br><br>Luce & Associates, P.S.<br><br>5308 12th St E<br><br>Tacoma, WA 98424<br><br>T: (253) 922-8724<br><br>F: (253) 922-2802<br><br><a href="http://www.lucelawfirm.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.LuceLawFirm.com</a><<a href="http://www.lucelawfirm.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.lucelawfirm.com/</a>> [e943ecc8-5be2-4768-a17e-1b829b908afe] <<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Luce-Kenney-Associates-PS/200703820101348" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Luce-Kenney-Associates-PS/200703820101348</a>><br><br><br><br>IMPORTANT NOTICE TO EMAIL RECIPIENTS<br><br>1. The information contained in this e-mail and accompanying attachments constitute confidential information which may be legally privileged and is intended for the sole use of the addressee. 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