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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Anderson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2023 4:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Probate Question - Deceased Spouse Still on Title<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060">A joint probate is the way I would handle it. I just did one and it was pretty straightforward. This way, the PR can deed the property to anyone knowing that
both spouses are off title.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07/18/2023 11:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Probate Question - Deceased Spouse Still on Title<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If they’re selling the property and more than 2 years have passed since the first spouse’s death, then a title company will most likely be willing to insure title based on opening probate on the second spouse, and doing an Affidavit of
Lack of Probate on the first spouse.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the family is keeping the property long-term, it might be worthwhile to open a joint probate to get title completely cleared up. Or if the client is willing to take the risk of a title hiccup later, could still open probate just on the
second spouse and do a PR deed to the heirs. Later on a title company might note the discrepancy in title and require an Affidavit of Lack of Probate on the first spouse, but if a lot of years have passed, it’s likely they will be willing to insure around
it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Keep in mind these are practical considerations, and not legal determinations. To get a legal determination without a whole probate process, you could do an Adjudication of Testacy or Intestacy on the first spouse. See RCW 11.20.020(1)
(testacy), RCW 11.28.110 (intestacy and heirship), RCW 11.28.330, RCW 11.28.340.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none">Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">
<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Greenberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 18, 2023 11:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Probate Question - Deceased Spouse Still on Title<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have been getting more and more files where a deceased spouse is still on title to the primary residence. Assume no community property agreement, transfer on death deed, or other automatic right of survivorship. I tend to get called when
the second spouse passes away or when the survivor is updating their estate plan.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone have a work-around to avoid opening a probate solely for the sake of removing the deceased spouse’s name or opening a combined probate for both spouses after the second spouse passes away? I am expecting the answer is no, but
it can’t hurt to ask.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dave<o:p></o:p></p>
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