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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>FWIW, I don’t think its recent law as 20 plus years ago when I did bankruptcies credit unions were allowed to cross collateralized loans under federal law. At that time, we advised debtors to reduce balances in accounts at CUs if they had outstanding loans there before filing for BK. Unless law changed, in probate I would assume in that situation CU’s (as in bankruptcy) are treated as secured creditors up to balance in account at DOD and so could pursue security without having to file a claim. Thanks, Cy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><i>Cyrus W. Field, Attorney at Law (admitted in Washington and Oregon); Phone: 360-472-1223 <o:p></o:p></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i>Mail: POB 367, Shaw Island, WA 98286; Physical Office: 640 Mullis St #214, Friday Harbor, WA</i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>****************************************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>The information contained in this email message, including attachments, may be privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you think you have received this email in error, please email the sender at <a href="mailto:cyfield@rockisland.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>cyfield@rockisland.com</span></a> and destroy or delete the original and any copies.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 27, 2023 9:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] BECU and Creditor Claim<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>What Rebecca said—that’s been my experience as well. An unpleasant surprise in several probates.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Was this a (relatively) recent change in the law, or perhaps just a change in credit union practice? I don’t think I started seeing this happen until around, say, 2014.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Eric<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>1417 31st Ave South<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Seattle WA 98144-3909<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>206-625-0092<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>eric@sayrelawoffices.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rebecca King<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 27, 2023 9:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] BECU and Creditor Claim<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>BECU has language in their lending documents that say that BECU can freeze or collect from any accounts at BECU at death. Credit Unions can do this. I’ve had several estates in which BECU has pulled funds from decedent’s checking/savings accounts, completely circumventing the creditor claim process.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>Warmest regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Script MT Bold";color:black'>Rebecca King</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:black'>Attorney</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='color:black'>Northwest Elder Law Group</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='color:black'>2150 N. 107<sup>th</sup> Street, Suite 501</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='color:black'>Seattle, WA 98133</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='color:black'>Main: (206) 937-6102</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='color:black'>Direct Line and Fax: (206) 866-6544</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:black'>Providing Services in Elder Law<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:black'>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information protected by law. 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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Williams-Ruth<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 27, 2023 8:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] BECU and Creditor Claim<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>There was one BECU credit card and one checking/savings that is required to have any account at BECU. I am prepared to just leave the under $200 in the checking/savings but I will not be providing any further information for an unsecured credit card where they got the NTC with a cover letter that provided the account number. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p><b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Brent Williams-Ruth</span></b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> (pronouns: he/him)<br><i>Attorney-At-Law</i></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, </span></b><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA 98003</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red'>**EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY**</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> All mail sent through the USPS should be sent to the following address: PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA 98063 </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Office/Scheduling Phone:<span style='color:#004080'> </span><span style='color:red'>(253) 285-7751</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Direct:<span style='color:red'> (253) 285-7453</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><a href="mailto:Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com" target="_blank">e-mail</a> / <a href="http://www.williams-ruthlaw.com/" target="_blank">website</a> /</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><a href="http://www.facebook.com/bwrlaw" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.5pt'>facebook</span></a></span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> / </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 7:16 PM David Moe <<a href="mailto:davidmoe@maplevalleylaw.com">davidmoe@maplevalleylaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>By any chance is BECU a secured creditor as to the debt in question—and does the estate (incl. non-probate estate) include funds in BECU CD or share or checking accounts? BECU (and perhaps other credit unions) may claim to have a right to freeze or to enforce a set-off as to decedent's assets in BECU accounts. I don't believe commercial banks enjoy the same right. The right of set-off might put BECU in a "secured-creditor" status. Secured creditor status would allow BECU to ignore the mailed NTC and to verify their offset claim. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Possibly that would explain the BECU request for letters and death certificate. This happed with an unfortunate result some year back with one of my probate matters where decedent left a $16K BECU share account but also had a secured debt held by BECU. I don't recall whether that was a BECU notice/deed of trust or a BECU credit card debt. The share account was decedent's only liquid asset other than equity in decedent's personal residence real property. That cient needed some of the cash from the BECU account to make the decedent's residence marketable, in which event both the estate and BECU would have benefitted. There would have been a modest surplus to the estate. The PR client (a sole adult child beneficiary) did not have (or did not want to risk) additional personal funds to make the necessary repairs. BECU would not relent. My client, who had traveled from the east coast and paid attorney fees to open the probate, decided to abandon the estate rather than sink more personal funds into the fiasco. In today's real estate market things might have been different. My take-away has been to warn modest-means clients about this mixed-benefit situation involving credit unions.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Has anyone else experienced this? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Dave Moe<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="m_-2202081996949789586Signature"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>David Moe Attorney, P.S.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Telephone: 425-432-1277</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Fax: 425-432-1280</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>23745 225<sup>th</sup> Way SE, Suite 108</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Maple Valley, WA 98038</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Email: </span><a href="mailto:davidmoe@maplevalleylaw.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>davidmoe@maplevalleylaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: </span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'> This communication is intended for the sole use of the individual and entity to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify this firm immediately by collect call (425)-432-1277, or by reply to this communication.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="98%" align=center></div><div id="m_-2202081996949789586divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> on behalf of Brent Williams-Ruth <<a href="mailto:brent@williams-ruthlaw.com" target="_blank">brent@williams-ruthlaw.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 26, 2023 5:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] BECU and Creditor Claim</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>A funny thing happened on the way to the forum today......<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I got a letter from BECU after sending them a known creditor notice for my mother's estate. Rather than filing a creditor claim, they send me a document stating that I need to send them my letters testamentary and a photocopy of the death certificate. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Has there been some change to the creditor statute? Have I fallen and hit my head?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I cannot recall the total number of creditor's claims filed by BECU in the past - so I am curious as to whether anyone else has received notices like this. It seems strange that they would elect to send this - noncompliant communication - over actually just sending the creditor's claim. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p><b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Brent Williams-Ruth</span></b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> (pronouns: he/him)<br><i>Attorney-At-Law</i></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, </span></b><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA 98003</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red'>**EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY**</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> All mail sent through the USPS should be sent to the following address: PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA 98063 </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Office/Scheduling Phone:<span style='color:#004080'> </span><span style='color:red'>(253) 285-7751</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Direct:<span style='color:red'> (253) 285-7453</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><a href="mailto:Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com" target="_blank">e-mail</a> / <a href="http://www.williams-ruthlaw.com/" target="_blank">website</a> /</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><a href="http://www.facebook.com/bwrlaw" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.5pt'>facebook</span></a></span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> / </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is not restricted to practicing attorneys and may include non-practicing attorneys, law students, professionals working in related fields, and others.***<br>_______________________________________________<br>WSBAPT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbapt" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbapt</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>