<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Thank you all - what caused me pause is that this is NOT a parent of a student. The Decedent co-signed the loan for the child of one of her friends who didn't have good credit.  Everything that I was reading was about the death of the student themselves or their parent.....I was not finding anything that specifically just talked about a co-sign. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Will be sending the rejection based upon it being an unknown creditor and missing deadline to see what happens. </div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent
Williams-Ruth</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> (pronouns: he/him)<br>
<i>Attorney-At-Law</i></span></p><p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Law
Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><font size="1">a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC</font></span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></b></p><p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal
Way, WA 98003</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></p><p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><font color="#ff0000">**EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY**</font> All mail sent through the USPS should be sent to the following address: </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA 98063 </span></b></p><p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Office/Scheduling
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</p><p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="mailto:Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com" target="_blank">e-mail</a> / <a href="http://www.williams-ruthlaw.com/" target="_blank">website</a> /</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="http://www.facebook.com/bwrlaw" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">facebook</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> / </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></p></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 6:47 AM Mark McClure <<a href="mailto:mark@mcclurelawgroup.com">mark@mcclurelawgroup.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1854916413066502769"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_1854916413066502769WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Good information Dalynne!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Here is the CFR: 34 CFR § 685.212 - Discharge of a loan obligation.  <a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/34/685.212" target="_blank">https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/34/685.212</a> <b></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(76,118,162)"> </span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(76,118,162)">Mark C. McClure</span></b><b><span style="font-size:24pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(76,118,162)"> </span></b><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(76,118,162)">| </span></b><i><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(76,118,162)">Managing Attorney <br></span></i><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:navy">Law Office of Mark McClure, PS<b> <br></b><i>"Why Retire With Debt?"<br></i>1103 West Meeker Street, #101<br>Kent, WA 98032</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(29,34,40)"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:navy">Office:  253.631.6484 (Leave Msg - Will be returned within 24 hours)<br></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(0,51,153)">Email: <a href="mailto:Mark@McClureLawGroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">Mark@McClureLawGroup.com</span></a><br>Web: <a href="http://www.mcclurelawgroup.com/" target="_blank">www.McClureLawGroup.com</a> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Notice of Unavailability:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:red">      TBD</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(29,34,40)"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(192,80,77)">**NOTE** COVID Procedures:  All visits must be scheduled in advance for access to the building.  Call </span></b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(192,80,77)">253-631-6484 <b> to schedule.</b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:navy">CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:navy"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(28,30,33);background:rgb(242,243,245)">This email contains legal stuff. If you are not the intended recipient you could get into a lot of trouble if you read it, and even more trouble if you tell someone else about it. So, the best thing to do is ignore it and forget you ever saw it. Thank you.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:navy"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:rgb(29,34,40)"></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,"sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tah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