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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Thanks for that reminder Jerimy – that’s what I get for going off of memory -
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold"">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">717 W. Sprague Ave.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerimy Kirschner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 24, 2023 4:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] 1099-C Cancellation of Debt<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe that the debt is cancelled upon the earlier of an identifiable event or the date the 1099-C is filed. One identifiable event listed in the IRS 1099-C instructions is "[a] cancellation or extinguishment making the debt unenforceable
under a probate or similar proceeding." If a creditor claims is cut off in probate after notice, then I would venture that is the moment the debt is cancelled. For most, this would occur prior to distribution.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:02 PM Diane J. Kiepe <<a href="mailto:DJKiepe@depdslaw.com">DJKiepe@depdslaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">So I think there a couple legal arguments that I would feel comfortable making. The first was already discussed,
that is there was no debt because WF had no legal right to the money claimed owed. Second, I could, with a straight face, argue that one of the Section 108 exclusions apply – Code Section 108(a)(1)(B) states that there is no income if the taxpayer was insolvent
when <u>the discharge occurred</u>. Clearly taxpayer was insolvent if he/his estate had distributed and closed and owned nothing but the full $$$ of the WF 1099C.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I can tell you that I personally experienced one in my own life for a significantly larger amount (long story)
and I did not report it and never heard from the service – this was during 2009.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">717 W. Sprague Ave.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Suite 1500<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Williams-Ruth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 24, 2023 3:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] 1099-C Cancellation of Debt<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This was a low income estate, there was no earned income during the administration and the Executor did not file an income tax return
on the advice and counsel of a tax professional. (I make it clear that I am NOT a tax attorney and do not give tax advice.....just enough knowledge to be dangerous). But even if they did, the tax year was 2021. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I worry that by simply being ignored this could turn into a failure to file, and lead to interest and penalties and problems for the
former PR - though it was sent to the Decedent's name (not his estate) care of me (personally) at my office address - not the Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth. Bob Q. Smith, in care of Brent Williams-Ruth. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent Williams-Ruth</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> (pronouns: he/him)<br>
<i>Attorney-At-Law</i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, </span></b><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA 98003</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">**EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY**</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> All mail sent through the USPS should be sent to the following address: PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA
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<p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Office/Scheduling Phone:<span style="color:#004080"> </span><span style="color:red">(253) 285-7751</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Direct:<span style="color:red"> (253) 285-7453</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 2:38 PM Claudia A Gowan <<a href="mailto:claudia@cagowanlaw.com" target="_blank">claudia@cagowanlaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Brent, did the estate file a final form 1040 for the decedent?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This is such a pain because technically, if Wells Fargo sent the 1099 to the IRS, the decedent had income in that amount – which is over the required amount for filing an income
tax return amount. But the estate is long closed and the form 1040, if one was filed, has probably long since been processed. Plus of course, the debt was discharged in a year well after death, which raises another series of questions about any filing requirement,
e.g. if you were to file a tax return for the 627.00, for whom would it be filed, the estate for the calendar year of the discharged debt or would it be for the decedent who incurred the debt (all when the PR has already been discharged)?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">And of course, the PR is not going to want to file anything…<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Excuse my ramblings but I would be scratching my head over what to do on this one.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best, Claudia<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Williams-Ruth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 24, 2023 2:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] 1099-C Cancellation of Debt<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Today I received a 1099-C for the cancellation of debt from a Wells Fargo credit card. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent Williams-Ruth</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> (pronouns: he/him)<br>
<i>Attorney-At-Law</i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, </span></b><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA 98003</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">**EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY**</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> All mail sent through the USPS should be sent to the following address: PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA
98063 </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Office/Scheduling Phone:<span style="color:#004080"> </span><span style="color:red">(253) 285-7751</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Direct:<span style="color:red"> (253) 285-7453</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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