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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Thanks Roger and others replying to me to teach me a world of truly “blocked” accounts I’m so fortunate not to have encountered yet – have I mentioned I love trusts?
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😉</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">But everything comes in 2s for me it seems. So now that I have one “minor child with grandparents trying to figure out how inexpensively to collect deceased son’s few assets
for grandchild,” I’m fully expecting this to happen in the coming months.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">And I have YOU ALL to thank when it does. Best, Josh
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 7, 2022 10:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Life Insurance for Minor Beneficiary<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the usual lexicon, ‘blocked account’ means usable only upon court order.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua McKarcher<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 7, 2022 9:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Life Insurance for Minor Beneficiary<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">In these emails “blocked account” means UTMA account with an adult custodian holding for benefit of minor, and not some non-UTMA account that is “blocked” from being used
AT ALL . . . . right? I am learning (as revealed by my earlier posts re similar issues). Thanks, Josh
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus J. Fry<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 7, 2022 9:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Life Insurance for Minor Beneficiary<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Brent:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Actually a court order specifically authorizing and directing the insurance proceeds to be paid to a custodian in my experience has worked just fine. I agree requiring the custodian to place those funds into a blocked account subject to
court order is a level of protection that should be done when there wasn’t a Will appointing the custodian. In my experience, the standard demand letter you got from the life insurance co was just a form, but if they get a certified copy of a court order
the insurance company does what the court order tells them to do, again in at least my experience anyway.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Marcus<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Williams-Ruth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 6, 2022 5:23 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I have no problem with 11.114, have done that and expected that it would go into a blocked account. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I have just never had anyone REQUIRE a full conservatorship appointment. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Total amount of the benefit is $7,500. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 5:13 PM Nick Pleasants <<a href="mailto:npleasants@ohswlaw.com">npleasants@ohswlaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Brent,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">That is business as usual. The surviving parent is not automatically the child’s conservator for purposes of claiming insurance benefits. I have done lots of minor conservatorships
for life insurance of a deceased parent. It’s pretty streamlined so you don’t need a CV Report. Under the old law, I could get the parent appointed simultaneously with filing the Petition. I think it should be similar under the new law, but haven’t filed one
since Jan 1, 2022. Sometimes you can get the life insurance company to accept appointment of a custodian under 11.114, sometimes they refuse.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">There are some important protections in conservatorship, which depending on the size of the funds, make complete sense. The conservator is going to be required to block the funds
in excess of $3,000 or obtain a bond. Absent extenuating circumstances, the money should stay blocked until the child’s 18<sup>th</sup> birthday. Generally life insurance funds will not be used to pay for minor child’s care because whoever is raising the child
can claim the social security benefit for the child. I actually think this works really well because otherwise surviving parent may be tempted to spend it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Williams-Ruth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 6, 2022 3:07 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I have a situation where my Executor has been told by a National Life Insurance carrier that we need “certified guardianship/conservatorship
papers for the estate of the minor including Letters of Guardianship/Conservatorship and the supporting Court Order appointing the guardian/conservator.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I am used to getting an order for custodian transfer under 11.76 and 11.114....but I am curious as to their demand for a guardianship/conservatorship
when the surviving spouse is also the biological parent of the minor beneficiary. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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