<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Along the same lines as Amy L., counseling is a rather personal, self-reflective process. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Requiring a Trustee to compel (as opposed to specifically approve) attendance to the hypothetically recalcitrant beneficiary might be counter productive, and a waste of time & money. The mandatory nature has the possibility of setting the future Trustee at battle with that hypothetically recalcitrant beneficiary. <div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There’s a big difference between encouraging, cajoling and mandating. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 13, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Lewis, Amy C. <<a href="mailto:ALewis@Eisenhowerlaw.com" class="">ALewis@Eisenhowerlaw.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">One issue is whether the PR or trustee will be willing to enforce/monitor the requirement. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><font size="4" color="#777777" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><font size="3" class=""><font class=""><o:p style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><p style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin: 0in 0in 6pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Amy Lewis, Attorney<br class="">Pronouns she/her/hers<br class=""></span><span id="cid:Logo_fa335a1d-9f24-4802-a3dd-b58f259e3c98.png"><Logo_fa335a1d-9f24-4802-a3dd-b58f259e3c98.png></span><br class=""></p></o:p></font></font></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">909 A Street, Suite 600 | Tacoma, WA 98402<br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><strong style="" class=""></strong>phone 253.572.4500 | fax 253.272.5732 |</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.eisenhowerlaw.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(192, 0, 0);" class="">www.eisenhowerlaw.com</span></a></font><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Brent Williams-Ruth<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, October 13, 2022 1:57 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[WSBAPT] Mandating Therapy as testamentary trust provision<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Greetings List - <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">A PC would like to make a condition to receiving the funds that the beneficiary participates in a specific number of counseling sessions to discuss a particular topic associated with shared family trauma. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">I have heard of provisions associated with clean drug testing, etc....but never this. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Before I dive into the law library and down a million rabbit holes - I wanted to check with the collective first. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Appreciate any guidance and direction. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Brent<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Brent Williams-Ruth</span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> (pronouns: he/him)<br class=""><i class="">Attorney-At-Law</i></span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, </span></b><b class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; 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