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<span class="s1" style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-weight:normal">Fascinating! I’ve never had to analyze that.</span></p>
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<span class="s1" style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-weight:normal"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>When I read the three statutes below together -- and without searching relevant case law, if there is any -- the textualist in me concludes
that I would likely give a copy of a will to the named PR (unless perhaps I was the one with evidence of the revocation of the original version of the photocopy I’m evaluating for turnover, in which case I suppose I might respond by giving the PR and heirs
at law an unsworn certification regarding the existence of the copy in my files and my evidence of revocation, which they could evaluate and use in court if/as needed):</span></p>
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<span class="s1" style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-weight:normal">1. definition of “will” in RCW 11.02.005(24)</span></p>
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<span class="s1" style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-weight:normal">2. discussion of lost will in RCW 11.20.070 (including its use of the adjective “original” to describe one kind of “will” as distinct from a “copy” of that same instrument)</span></p>
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<span class="s1" style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-weight:normal">3. turnover requirements in RCW 11.20.010</span></p>
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<span class="s1" style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-weight:normal">Note that I am NOT asserting that the definition of a will in sub (24) above somehow “plainly and unambiguously includes” both the original and photocopies of the instrument described.
I am merely observing the use of the word “original” in one statute to provide a reasonable interpretation of a nearby statute to inform how I might act reasonably in one circumstance where the distinction matters.</span></p>
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<span class="s1" style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-weight:normal">And, of course, I realize there are a million possible permutations and combinations.</span></p>
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<span class="s1" style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-weight:normal">But that’s my take on the simple question posed without a lot of complicating factors.</span></p>
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<span class="s1" style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-weight:normal">Best, Josh<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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What is an attorney’s obligation to give a <b>copy</b> of a will to a PR?</p>
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RCW 11.20.210 says we have to give an original will to the PR. But what if the PR requests the will and the attorney only has a copy???</p>
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Any person having the custody or control of any will shall, within thirty days after he or she shall have received knowledge of the death of the testator, deliver said will to the court having jurisdiction or to the person named in the will as executor, and
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This process known as surcharging or passing on processing fees is a bit controversial. Take a look at these blog posts from Gravity Legal on how to do it responsibly:</p>
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