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<p class="MsoNormal">Also chiming in FWIW – in my current case, what DSHS filed cites the CC statute by number and specifically calls it a CC. If they’re using the nomenclature, they should be bound by it – at least that’s going to be my argument if they come
back later having not filed suit within 30 days post-rejection. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold"">Jennifer L. White, Esq.</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:jen@appletreelaw.com"><span style="font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold",sans-serif;color:#0563C1">jen@appletreelaw.com</span></a><i><span style="font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold",sans-serif">PO Box 11037<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold",sans-serif">Yakima, WA 98909<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold",sans-serif">509.225.9813<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Diane J. Kiepe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 30, 2022 11:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Dept of Revenue slow?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">Eric,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">This makes so much sense and how I always understood it. Liens can follow the property but a creditor claim does not automatically attach without more steps by DSHS – I promise not to cite you but your summary
is somewhere back in my mind too </span><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😉</span><span style="font-size:16.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold"">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold""><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Douglas Eden<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">717 W. Sprague Ave.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Suite 1500<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Spokane, WA 99201<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:djkiepe@depdslaw.com">djkiepe@depdslaw.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">509-455-5300<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Dept of Revenue slow?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please don’t rely on my recollection on this, but I think I remember researching this issue about 10-15 years ago, on the distinction between debts owed to the Feds and debts owed to the State. Medicaid is a federal program but I think
it’s basically federal funding that is supplied to each state and the state builds its own administrative apparatus to handle and pay benefits to state residents. As a condition of receiving the federal funding, the State must agree to make reasonable efforts
to collect reimbursements.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think there is a case out there—or maybe it’s in the Medicaid collections handbook for state employees?—that says that DSHS is subject to the creditor claim deadline the same as any other creditor. It’s a state entity handling money debts
owed under state statutes, and as such it has neither the priority of debts owed to the federal government, nor does the states’ sovereign immunity or its statutes provide DSHS with immunity from the creditor claim deadline.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That said, I also faintly recall that there is a difference between a Medicaid lien put on real property and a Medicaid debt owed by a decedent who didn’t own real property. It’s possible that the debt can be barred but the lien on real
property can’t?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Or I could really be mixing this up. I think there is a substantial amount of information on DSHS website under the “Estate Recovery” section. See for example:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dshs.wa.gov_sites_default_files_publications_documents_Estate-2520Recovery-2520Insert.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=kDcM-fraYQNOZ1rCslLoMSSRXJQXmQVvRJbE6ymQGho&m=xgDBf2IQG9ZuJJx2M6utbL-RHPynHhDCIABbrjpjf6o&s=BZdgMUofSmyMJKIZXA2bWPHTDQiHWc0s7wLsQW5BfZQ&e=">https://www.dshs.wa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/documents/Estate%20Recovery%20Insert.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eric<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1417 31st Ave South<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Seattle WA 98144-3909<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">206-625-0092<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua Grant<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 29, 2022 4:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Dept of Revenue slow?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="OLE_LINK1"></a><a name="OLE_LINK2"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK1">I am handling an estate where the PR thought a Medicaid lien should exist. We are over 4 months since we mailed the Notice to Creditors (including decedent’s
social security number), and we haven’t heard anything yet. How long has it been taking to OFR to respond to Notice to Creditors?<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK2"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK1">If no lien shows on a title report on the residence, I assume we are clear to sell the residence without further notice to DSHS?<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK2"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK1"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK2"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK1">Josh<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK2"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK1"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK2"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK1"><b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;color:#004080">Joshua F. Grant</span></b></span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK2"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK1"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#004080"><br>
</span></span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK2"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK1"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><img border="0" width="166" height="34" style="width:1.7291in;height:.3541in" id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image003.png@01D8BC68.A53982E0"></span></span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK2"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK1"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><br>
</span><span style="color:#004080">P. O. Box 619<br>
Wilbur, WA 99185<br>
509 647 5578<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK2"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK1"></span></span><a href="mailto:jgrant@advocateslg.com"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK2"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK1">jgrant@advocateslg.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK2"><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK1"></span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK1"></span><span style="mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK2"></span><span style="color:#004080"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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