<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">If you believe that there will be a claim - I would call and ask. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I just had a client and they were not too aware of the differences between medicaid and medicare and were INSISTENT that they were on medicaid - so before we made any plans, I called DSHS to ask what the repayment/lien amount would be.....come to find out there was nothing that was reimbursable. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent
Williams-Ruth</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> (pronouns: he/him)<br>
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Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><font size="1">a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC</font></span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></b></p><p><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal
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</p><p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="mailto:Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com" target="_blank">e-mail</a> / <a href="http://www.williams-ruthlaw.com/" target="_blank">website</a> /</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="http://www.facebook.com/bwrlaw" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">facebook</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> / </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></p></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 10:20 AM Christopher  Neil <<a href="mailto:chris.neil@neillaw.com">chris.neil@neillaw.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">In my case DSHS has a pre-death 6-figure claim.  Probate Notice to Creditors was sent to OFR with all of the proper ID for the Decedent.    5 months later, no reply.  The estate is ready to close.  How can a PR pay a claim in which the Creditor is not responding?  It’s a frustrating situation because I anticipate OFR will come back after the estate is closed and demand repayment from the heirs - which are charities.  <div><br></div><div>I don’t want to buy a future lawsuit for the heirs, but OFR is non-responsive. </div><div><div><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 30, 2022, at 9:08 AM, Roger Hawkes <<a href="mailto:roger@skyvalleylawyers.com" target="_blank">roger@skyvalleylawyers.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The state (the ‘king’) is generally not subject to statutes of limitation and factual claims like adverse possession.  My hope is the state has somewhere agreed to be bound by the four month limitation for creditors’ claims, but I don’t know if that has occurred.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Diane J. Kiepe<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, August 29, 2022 4:07 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [WSBAPT] Dept of Revenue slow?<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16pt">This appears to be the million dollar 2022 question.  I have gotten an e-mail (as has a colleague of mine Jennifer White who posted her) that we were getting turned over to the AG because DSHS basically doesn’t have to the follow the rules.  So far, I’ve not heard from the AG and quite frankly, the federal statute the DSHS representative cited did not appear to have anything to do with claims of DSHS.  I transferred the property to the PR/Beneficiary who is aware of this claim as well. <span> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16pt">If anything happens, I’ll be sure to share it with the listserve.  Really, how can they not be tied to a very specific creditor time period?  That is nonsensical to me.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold"">Diane J. Kiepe<u></u><u></u></span></i></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold""><u></u> <u></u></span></i></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Diane J. Kiepe<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Douglas Eden<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">717 W. Sprague Ave.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Suite 1500<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Spokane, WA  99201<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:djkiepe@depdslaw.com" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">djkiepe@depdslaw.com</a><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">509-455-5300<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span> </span><<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Joshua Grant<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, August 29, 2022 4:01 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" style="color:rgb(5,9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