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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thank you to all who replied.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sincerely,<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua McKarcher<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 20, 2022 6:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Definition of "heir"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">This is absolutely correct. I am a non-litigator, and I do not assist with will contests, but with all respect, I don’t know how a lawyer could comply with Rule 11 etc.
<u>without</u> listing the sibling and his/her address in the petition (and thus also providing notice of the appointment, probate, or administration). I don’t think the statutes make sense any other way. Here’s why:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Until</span></u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> a judge has signed an order
<u>determining</u> that x or y property is community or separate, or that A or B is entitled to 100% of the property
<u>because</u> 100% is community -- or <u>at minimum</u> that A or B or C is appointed PR (empowering that PR to make such judgments and classifications in the first instance, but, even then, subject to court review for reasonableness, etc., even in a nonintervention
case) -- I do not see how anyone anywhere has the <u>authority</u> simply to <u>
decide</u> that all property is community and that, accordingly, other potential heirs may be divested of notice of that person’s unilateral decision. This is logical and legal nonsense, to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Entry of an order granting relief requested in a petition presupposes – because we all are the keepers of Rule 11, etc. – that a judge
<u>must</u> be given all the relevant information to enter a proper order. That information is not simply “all the property is community,” but more like “the potential heirs are A and B, but only A takes, because there is no separate property for B to take.”
At least a judge <u>knows</u> there <u>is</u> a B out there somewhere who might wish to have a say in that “all decisive” assertion.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Omitting the sibling just doesn’t bear out logically -- at least not under our American constitutional system of due process of law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">And notice that the Rule 11 analysis applies
<u>whether the sibling is given notice or not</u>. It’s an issue of candor to the Court and of making critical decisions in the correct order and only
<u>after</u> being cloaked with <u>authority</u> even to make those decisions. (An order on a petition that states “the potential heirs are A and B, but only A takes because there is no separate property for B to take” is useless unless B is given “notice and
opportunity to be heard,” even if that is after-the-fact with a 4-month window as Washington permits.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Best, Josh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Joshua D. McKarcher<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Philip N. Jones<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 20, 2022 4:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Definition of "heir"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">As one judge down here in Oregon once said, “Notice is the backbone of probate practice.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Notice cuts off all kinds of rights. A good thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Similarly, when you get an order signed by a probate judge, the most valuable part of the order is not the judge’s signature. It is the part where you gave notice to all
of the possibly interested parties and none of them objected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Phil Jones<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Diane J. Kiepe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 20, 2022 3:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Definition of "heir"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">Also, always in blended marriages I assume there can and very well me a challenge so notice up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold"">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold""><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Douglas Eden<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Diane J. Kiepe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 20, 2022 3:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Definition of "heir"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">We have this debate all the time in our office so I’m curious to see what other’s say. To me I can see both sides of that pancake but tend to lean towards notice assuming someone would claim an asset was
separate property. At the end of the day I think you could ask questions enough to be comfortable with accepting the assertion as to classification of property, and I have in long-term, first-term marriages. In shorter or more recent marriages I will lean
towards notices.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">Penny for everyone else’s thoughts – this will be good.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold"">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold""><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Douglas Eden<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">717 W. Sprague Ave.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Suite 1500<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Spokane, WA 99201<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:djkiepe@depdslaw.com">djkiepe@depdslaw.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Fritzler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 20, 2022 3:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Definition of "heir"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">RCW 11.02.005 provides that: "Heirs" denotes those persons, including the surviving spouse or surviving domestic partner, who are entitled under the statutes of intestate succession
to the real and personal property of a decedent on the decedent's death intestate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Decedent died intestate and was survived by a spouse and one sibling. Decedent never had any children. Per RCW 11.04.015(2)(c), the decedent’s sibling is entitled to one-quarter
of the decedent’s separate property per RCW 11.04.015(2)(c). According to the surviving spouse, however, the decedent’s estate is composed of community property only. The surviving spouse is entitled to all of the decedent’s share of the community property.
RCW 11.04.015(1).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Even though it appears that the decedent’s sibling is not entitled to any property from the estate, would you nonetheless list the sibling as an heir in the petition to appoint
the surviving spouse as personal representative and send them a Notice of Appointment? If you don’t list the sibling and give them notice, aren’t you risking that they could pop up later to say, “Actually, the decedent did have some separate property and
I should have received 25% of it.” <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sincerely,<br>
Jon M. Fritzler<br>
Attorney at Law<br>
717 E. 22<sup>nd</sup> St.<br>
Vancouver, WA 98663<br>
Tel. 360.818.4431<br>
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