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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Thanks, Phil. I appreciate the honesty of your “someone else’s problem” caveat to your perspective. Below is a related observation re Washington e-wills and the “custodian”
requirement added to the uniform statute. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">So far, at least (hedging intended), I believe this innovation is useful for imposing a significantly less burdensome obligation than storing hundreds or thousands of hard
copy wills, particularly for firms <u>without</u> the staff of a medium or large firm but
<u>with</u> Washington’s ethical/IOLTA-related logging/tracking requirements that apply to things like wills and deeds held in storage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">So far, at least, I believe Washington’s Electronic Wills Act bridges this divide somewhat by providing for a
<u>custodian</u> requirement and allowing law firms and non-profit entities to serve as custodians. This was an
<u>addition</u> to the uniform act, but I so far cannot find a reason not to like it. (An e-will that is not successfully held by a custodian can still be proven in the same manner one proves a “lost” will. For a secure PDF that has no indication of being monkeyed
with, this should be as straightforward as probating a photocopy of a lost will.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I have a small if not solo firm, and I limit holding original
<u>paper</u> wills (but provide modern alternatives that serve as useful backups for a truly lost will without requiring my office to store hundreds or thousands of paper wills).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">But I will happily serve (so far, at least) as custodian of a Washington e-will (read: a “locked down,” secure Adobe signature-certified gem of a document) given that
<u>I can very easily transfer custodianship of hundreds or thousands of such e-wills to another qualified custodian, probably providing that new custodian one affidavit
</u>with a (redactable) exhibit listing the e-wills transferred. I do not have to provide a separate affidavit for every single e-will. I have to provide each client or his/her family notice, obviously, but that cannot be harder than doing likewise for hard
copy wills. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">An ACTEC speaker asserted on an excellent ALI CLE in the last several months that she – like me, initially skeptical of electronic wills – now prefers a secure (“locked
down”), e-signed, e-witnessed, PDF will to any hard copy will. Now that I am familiar with the technology supporting this development, and have implemented a few, I am with her all the way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">It will be quite a while before e-wills predominate, but I suspect they may as more and more responsible lawyers and custodians (hopefully not just online will “robots”
to whom we lawyers concede the “marketplace”) do the service to our society of implementing thoughtful (even creative) processes for drafting, reviewing, executing, storing, and delivering e-wills (and other e-signed and RON’d documents that ordinarily accompany
wills).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">All my best regards, Josh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Joshua D. McKarcher<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">McKarcher Law PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Clarkston, WA 99403<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(509) 758-3345<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(509) 758-3314 (fax)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Philip N. Jones<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 20, 2022 3:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com>; Jennifer Johnson <jen@haniganlaw.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Assignment of beneficiary's interest in estate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">By the way, and off the subject of how to get the assets to the stepchildren, and at the risk of starting a whole new debate, this story lends support for why attorneys
should keep the original signed will in their file or in a vault. Much less likely to be misplaced.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Of course, solo and small firm practitioners don’t like to keep original wills, because they will want to retire someday. Large and medium firm attorneys are happy to do
it, because it eventually becomes someone else’s problem. I fall into the latter category. There is something very satisfying about receiving a call from a family member telling me that Dad has died, and I then express condolences and point out that I have
the original will. I don’t care if the family goes to a different firm for the probate, I have done them a great service by making the original will readily available.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Practicing law is a service industry.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Phil Jones<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Philip N. Jones<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Diane J. Kiepe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 20, 2022 1:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>; Jennifer Johnson <<a href="mailto:jen@haniganlaw.net">jen@haniganlaw.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Assignment of beneficiary's interest in estate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">Ditto – disclaiming could be a nightmare because next in line are not the step-daughters but next of kin…….you can never do enough disclaiming to get to a “step” family member.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold"">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold""><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Douglas Eden<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">717 W. Sprague Ave.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Spokane, WA 99201<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:djkiepe@depdslaw.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">djkiepe@depdslaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Philip N. Jones<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 20, 2022 1:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jennifer Johnson <<a href="mailto:jen@haniganlaw.net">jen@haniganlaw.net</a>>; WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Assignment of beneficiary's interest in estate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I agree with you about the disclaimer and the gifts(s).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Phil Jones<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Philip N. Jones<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Duffy Kekel LLP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">900 S.W. Fifth Ave. Suite 2500<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Portland, OR 97204<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(503) 226-1371 – office<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(503) 853-1482 – cell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(503) 226-3574 - fax<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jennifer Johnson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 20, 2022 1:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Assignment of beneficiary's interest in estate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I've been asked to review an Assignment of Interest that was prepared for an estate beneficiary, and not having ever seen one (my probate practice is limited), I'm wondering
about the practice and the pitfalls.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The details are that the deceased supposedly executed a Will leaving his entire estate to his two stepdaughters. The stepdaughters have looked everywhere and have not been able
to find the Will or a signed copy of it. The deceased's intestate heir is his mother, who does not want to inherit. His mother is the one who would be signing this Assignment of Interest to the two stepdaughters, since she believes that her son's intent
was to leave everything to them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Is this a common practice? I know it isn't a disclaimer and assume the transfer would be treated as a gift for tax purposes. Are there other pitfalls I'm not thinking of?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thank you for your collective wisdom.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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