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<p class="MsoNormal">Well, that’s certainly true. Good luck—it sounds like the survivor’s fear is overriding any sense.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Opening a Probate where there may be a committed intimate relationship and community property claims<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I understand the issue about ownership of assets. I will let you know how this works as I am bringing an ejectment action to remove the CIR who paid nothing for the house (it was inherited by the decedent) but is claiming it and the contents.
He refuses to talk and in fact called the police on the PR. The communication issue works both ways!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 16, 2022 4:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Opening a Probate where there may be a committed intimate relationship and community property claims<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Definitely agree with Carmen.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 16, 2022 4:18 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Opening a Probate where there may be a committed intimate relationship and community property claims<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Responding to Eric's post below & others' comments regarding CIR rights (or, not) as an heir, I will add one thought:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">In addition to some of the niceties of communication that Eric mentions going a long way towards avoiding a fight, the assets discussion is what squarely comes within the probate issue.
The personal representative is going to have to ascertain what is - or may not be - the decedent's assets at the home and in that process these issues have a direct bearing if there were assets acquired during any CIR, any belongings that may be hers, or improvements
she may have made to the property, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">So communication is SUPER huge in that you are walking a fine line in not suggesting she inherits, but at the same time, there is a duty to be sure you are resolving issues of asset ownership
without creating a claim by the ex-spouse that you got rid of/sold/gave to a family member something that was entirely or partially hers, whether because she brought it with her, paid for it, says was a gift to her, or a CIR-flavored claim. And obviously the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">I suspect since she was living there that she still is? so you'll likely go through most of these issues as she moves out and so you'll be facing this out of the gate. Which is its own
delicate situation, you really want someone inventorying what's there as soon as possible after the death/she starts packing up, and making sure you track what she takes or intends to take. It's decidedly awkward as you don't want to seem unkind or unsympathetic
to her loss either, but bottom line is you simply have to watch what is happening and find hopefully some cooperative way to do it and be prepared to approach issues of possible assets that there is a question over who really owned it/had rights to it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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intimate relationship and community property claims<br>
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I agree with Jeff-same analysis. A CIR just doesn't rise to the level of a legal marriage, in the context of a probate, and case law is clear it has no rights derived from probate and inheritance statutes. By definition a CIR is not inheritance of any kind;
it is an equitable claim to part ownership of assets accumulated during the relationship, and it can only be pursued by a lawsuit against the Estate.<br>
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So from a procedural standpoint the estate should ignore the CIR partner. That said, I'd talk with the PR about how to handle it. A little bit of friendly communication at the outset, courtesy copies of some paperwork, accommodation of their own grief and fears
about the future, can go a long way toward avoiding a fight.<br>
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But be very careful and work through the implications before conceding that a CIR existed. Better to acknowledge the validity of their relationship and the reality of their loss, without getting into whether it really qualified as a CIR that would entitle them
to an equitable division of assets accumulated during their post-divorce cohabitation.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
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Eric<br>
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Eric C. Nelsen<br>
Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<br>
1417 31st Ave South<br>
Seattle WA 98144-3909<br>
206-625-0092<br>
<a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com" target="_blank">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com" target="_blank">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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