<div dir="ltr">I don't think this case would fall under landlord/tenant law as there is no "rental agreement." I would skip the likelihood of arming this "tenant" with a free attorney and serve a notice demanding possession and then an ejectment suit. They can pay for their own attorney that way and it's not necessarily slower than any landlord/tenant case anymore. <div><br></div><div>Kaitlyn</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:13 PM Paul Neumiller <<a href="mailto:pneumiller@hotmail.com">pneumiller@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I see no legal basis for half the decisions the courts are making in the LLT arena right now.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Thank you for the follow up. While I agree with the result, I do not agree with the reason given by the court for the extension. The issue here is not whether a tenant
is entitled to a court appointed attorney but rather the sufficiency of the vacate notice. My reading is RCW 59.18.640 gives every tenant the right to legal counsel if the tenant is “indigent.” In Island County, the judges are asking
<i>every</i> tenant if he or she qualifies as an indigent person and therefore is entitled to a free attorney. So, in Island County, it doesn’t matter whether your extra language is in the vacate notice because the judge is going to ask the tenant the same
“indigent tenant” questions <i>anyway</i>. Here, when the tenant shows up and says the tenant qualifies for a free attorney, the court automatically grants an extension of the show cause hearing.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">It would be interesting if the county in your example is willing to say the tenant is not entitled to a court-appointed attorney if your non-mandatory language is in the
vacate notice but the tenant failed to arrange for a court-appointed attorney ahead of time. I see no legal basis for that position.
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<p class="MsoNormal">It isn’t there for each type of notice, however, the courts are leaning toward protecting the tenants in many types of cases, so we are including it in every notice to vacate. One county recently gave a tenant an extension to get an attorney
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Gwendolyn, where is the requirement that a non-monetary default notice must include “the right to an attorney and information regarding programs that may help pay for the
attorney”? I do not find that requirement anywhere in RCW 59.18.650(6) or in RCW 59.18.640 or in RCW 59.12.040. I seem to have missed this requirement. Where is it?
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<p class="MsoNormal">As one person had permission to move in, I would treat it like a tenant that allowed unauthorized persons to move in rather than as trespassers. This would be addressed with a 20-day notice to vacate pursuant to RCW 59.18.650(2)(i) if
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<p class="MsoNormal">You do need to make sure the 20-day notice includes the right to an attorney and information regarding programs that may help pay for the attorney. Because it is not a 14-notice for failure to pay rent, you do not need to include the new
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Jackson, Attorney</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Dimension Law Group, PLLC</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Office:</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)"> 206-973-3500│<b>Fax:</b> 206-577-5090</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)"><b>Email: </b><u>kaitlyn</u><u>@<a href="http://dimensionlaw.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">dimensionlaw.com</a></u></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)"><a href="http://www.dimensionlaw.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">www.dimensionlaw.com</span></a></span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">130 Andover Park East, Suite 300, Tukwila, WA 98188</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(136,136,136)"> </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><i><u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106);letter-spacing:0.3pt">Please note our office is closed November 24th through November 26th and December 24th through January 2nd. </span></u></i></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">This email (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain privileged or confidential information. 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