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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> on behalf of Heather de Vrieze <heatherd@westseattlelaw.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 1:53 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [WSBAPT] Known Creditor Missing Claim Deadline<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The affidavit of diligence is based on 11.40.040(3). I will generally have the Personal Representative sign the affidavit described to “evidence the review and resulting presumption” that comes from following
the law. It is mostly a protection against the unknown creditors who might come forward, having not been given direct notice.
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">RCW <a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.40.040"><span style="color:#2B674D">11.40.040</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">"Reasonably ascertainable" creditor</span></b><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">—</span></b><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">Definition</span></b><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">—</span></b><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">Reasonable
diligence</span></b><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">—</span></b><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">Presumptions</span></b><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">—</span></b><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">Petition
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">(1) For purposes of RCW <a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.40.051"><b><span style="color:#2B674D">11.40.051</span></b></a>,
a "reasonably ascertainable" creditor of the decedent is one that the personal representative would discover upon exercise of reasonable diligence. The personal representative is deemed to have exercised reasonable diligence upon conducting a reasonable review
of the decedent's correspondence, including correspondence received after the date of death, and financial records, including personal financial statements, loan documents, checkbooks, bank statements, and income tax returns, that are in the possession of
or reasonably available to the personal representative.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">(2) If the personal representative conducts the review, the personal representative is presumed to have exercised reasonable
diligence to ascertain creditors of the decedent and any creditor not ascertained in the review is presumed not reasonably ascertainable within the meaning of RCW <a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.40.051"><b><span style="color:#2B674D">11.40.051</span></b></a>.
These presumptions may be rebutted only by clear, cogent, and convincing evidence.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">(3) The personal representative may evidence the review and resulting presumption by filing with the court an affidavit
regarding the facts referred to in this section. The personal representative may petition the court for an order declaring that the personal representative has made a review and that any creditors not known to the personal representative are not reasonably
ascertainable. The petition must be filed under RCW <a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.96A.080"><b><span style="color:#2B674D">11.96A.080</span></b></a> and the notice specified under RCW <a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.96A.110"><b><span style="color:#2B674D">11.96A.110</span></b></a> must
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Inge Fordham<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Known Creditor Missing Claim Deadline<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m interested in the contents of an affidavit of diligence. We file a declaration of mailing of notice to known creditors (to establish that actual notice was provided). We also file a declaration of personal representative regarding
ascertaining creditors. Is there something more that we should be filing? I haven’t yet run into a situation where a known creditor failed to make a claim but would like to be prepared if/when it happens.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> on behalf of Laura Latta <<a href="mailto:laura@lauralatta.com">laura@lauralatta.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 12:24 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [WSBAPT] Known Creditor Missing Claim Deadline<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you, Heather. It's very helpful to know others have navigated similar situations successfully. We will definitely file the affidavit of diligence.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:10 PM Heather de Vrieze <<a href="mailto:heatherd@westseattlelaw.com">heatherd@westseattlelaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I have credit cards miss deadlines all the time, sometimes they’ll even call and ask if they can get paid; when I tell them the estate has enough
money to pay claims submitted so far, but we don’t have a claim from them, they tell me they don’t plan to submit a claim.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Every card, every client situation different. It is why we go through this process, so the client can have assurance that this will not be a problem
for them later. Make sure to file an affidavit of diligence indicating when the creditors were given direct notice.
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 13, 2021 11:51 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Known Creditor Missing Claim Deadline<o:p></o:p></p>
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submitted a claim within the claim period. I'm wary of advising the client to proceed as if this claim is barred simply because I am unused to credit card companies missing the deadline. <o:p></o:p></p>
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similar for getting a judicial determination that a known creditor is time barred (other than receiving, denying, and adjudicating a late claim). Is this perhaps more common than I realize?<o:p></o:p></p>
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