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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">But there is no will to probate, and no assets to administer with Letters of Administration.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] CPA and affid. vs probate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe I advocated a probate in response to this scenario; for the same reasons you have identified. Probate is not hard or expensive, unless there is good reason for it to be hard and expensive.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Roger Hawkes, WSBA # 5173<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sky Valley Law<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For incoming mail: Box 351, Sultan 98294<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For in person visits: 423 Main, Sultan, WA 98294<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Or other places to be arranged<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua McKarcher<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] CPA and affid. vs probate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">But, again, the debate doesn’t matter if you cut the client’s risk significantly by obtaining an adjudication of intestacy that states the spouse is 100% heir. If the CPA
is VALID, great, the two parcels of real property are non-probate assets (for whatever it matters). If the CPA is NOT valid for whatever reason, well, after 4 months from the adjudication, it’s STILL spouse’s property.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Perhaps it’s because I started my career representing creditors in Chapter 11 corporate bankruptcies in DC/NYC during the 2008-onward financial crisis, and so have the bias
of desiring finality, but I think clients rely on us to minimize their risk and cut off claim timeframes – or at LEAST offer them the option and the knowledge of what the difference is between just recording the CPA and crossing your fingers with the greedy
step-kids vs. doing the above, which is not a probate but still requires the step-kids to put up or shut up within 4 months. It’s a great statute that buys peace in 4 months vs. [other unknown timeframe in a given situation].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Best, Josh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 7, 2021 1:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] CPA and affid. vs probate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just meant there is no mention of a home in the info I see.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Roger Hawkes, WSBA # 5173<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sky Valley Law<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For incoming mail: Box 351, Sultan 98294<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For in person visits: 423 Main, Sultan, WA 98294<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Or other places to be arranged<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">206 367 5000<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">360 799 6438<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Fax: 206 367 4005<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Brandli<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 7, 2021 1:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] CPA and affid. vs probate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">RCW 11.02.005(10): “. . . ’Nonprobate asset’ includes . . . a right or interest passing under . . . a community property agreement . . . .” But maybe I’m missing something.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 7, 2021 1:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] CPA and affid. vs probate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It might be; I don’t see facts that warrant such a conclusion.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Roger Hawkes, WSBA # 5173<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sky Valley Law<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For incoming mail: Box 351, Sultan 98294<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For in person visits: 423 Main, Sultan, WA 98294<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Or other places to be arranged<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">206 367 5000<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">360 799 6438<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Fax: 206 367 4005<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Brandli<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 6, 2021 5:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] CPA and affid. vs probate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Except that the house is a nonprobate asset, right?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 6, 2021 3:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] CPA and affid. vs probate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I recommend a probate with notice to all kids and the world. Forces stepkids to put up or shut up and forces creditors to show up or hold their thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Roger Hawkes, WSBA # 5173<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sky Valley Law<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For incoming mail: Box 351, Sultan 98294<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For in person visits: 423 Main, Sultan, WA 98294<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Or other places to be arranged<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">206 367 5000<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">360 799 6438<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Fax: 206 367 4005<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Josh Grant<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 6, 2021 2:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> wsbar trust <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] CPA and affid. vs probate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Is there an argument that doing a probate (letters of Adm) could be better for surviving spouse rather than simply recording the CPA and a death certificate and accompanying affidavit to clear
title because of existence of CPA? This client has community real property in two counties. No other assets need help, unlikely there will be any creditors, there are children of each spouse and no children in common, and there is no Will.</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#004080">Joshua F. Grant</span></strong><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#004080"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><img border="0" width="207" height="43" style="width:2.1562in;height:.4479in" id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D7BB94.2DFFC610" alt="advocates"></span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><br>
</span><span style="color:#004080">P. O. Box 619<br>
Wilbur, WA 99185<br>
509 647 5578</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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