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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Doug makes an important distinction which is worth highlighting. Although Statutory Claims are claims against the estate, the title can be misleading. The Statutory Claims procedure applies
only to claims against the decedent, which are chargeable against his estate. Under RCW 11.40.010, also called the “nonclaim statute” provides, “[a] person having a claim against the decedent may not maintain an action on the claim unless a personal representative
has been appointed and the claimant has presented the claim as set forth in this chapter.” (Emphasis added).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The important distinction here is that while the estate may be the entity liable for the claim – the claim itself which is covered under the Statutory Claims Process must be valid against
the decedent before he or she became deceased. (See also RCW 11.40.051, which applies the bar against claims only to claims against the decedent.) Otherwise it falls under an administrative claim with a different set of rules and ways to respond.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">A contingent claim (as it seems this is) is just as valid under the claims statute as any other claim.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Doug Schafer <schafer@pobox.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 6, 2021 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com>; Mark Vohr <mcv@ohanafc.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] "Ascertainable creditor"?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">From the question, I infer that "client" is the estate's PR. The questioner wrote, "</span>The bill is for water mitigation damages that allegedly took place
during our heat wave in June but which client did not authorize ...." If the bill is for services subsequent to the decedent's death, as it appears, the 4-month claim period for creditors existing at that death does not apply. Instead it is simply a claim
against the estate or the PR and the creditor can sue the estate or the PR subject to the normal statute of limitations.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/6/2021 13:49, Mark Vohr wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Agree with Roger. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black">
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<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com></a> on behalf of Roger Hawkes
<a href="mailto:Roger@law-hawks.com"><Roger@law-hawks.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 6, 2021 11:48:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] "Ascertainable creditor"?</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I vote ‘yes’. Seems to me that ‘ascertainable’ includes situations like this where liability is not clear.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Roger Hawkes, WSBA # 5173
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<p class="xmsonormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Sultan</span></i> Office: 423 Main (physical office)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 6, 2021 11:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] "Ascertainable creditor"?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Client is uncertain whether she is required to give notice to a creditor that has sent a billing statement made out to the decedent's condominium management company, but not to decedent or to decedent's estate directly, and which charges
she disputes. The bill references decedent's unit number. The bill is for water mitigation damages that allegedly took place during our heat wave in June but which client did not authorize (client paid other water-damage bills related to her uncle's property
prior to the sale of the house, with invoices made out to the estate). Client is not sure whether the condo association is covering these charges and doesn't want to volunteer information during the notice period if it's not required. Of course, she does if
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<p class="xmsonormal">Is the creditor considered "ascertainable" if Administrator is in receipt of the bill, regardless of whether the bill is made out to the estate?<o:p></o:p></p>
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