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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ditto; I think there is no harm in sending notices that appear to be unneeded; otoh, there is harm in not sending notices to some person or entity who later proves to be a creditor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Roger Hawkes, WSBA # 5173
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sultan</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Office: 423 Main (physical office)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Box 351, Sultan, WA 98294 (incoming mail)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Sultan, WA 98294<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Other offices: we are scheduling in person meetings at various law offices in<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">North King and South Snohomish counties. Virginia will be the person coordinating<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Phone: 206 367 5000; fax: 206 367 4005<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Brandli<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 7, 2021 8:49 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] "Ascertainable creditor"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Assuming the debt was incurred before debt (see Doug’s comment), I would send notices to both the creditor and the management company. In fact, I would do this even if the
debt was incurred after death.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bryce Dille<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 6, 2021 2:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] "Ascertainable creditor"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I litigated this issue and the superior court held any known party who has a possible claim against the estate of which you have knowledge and is known must be
given notice even though a claim per se wasn’t made against the decedent during his or her lifetime.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 6, 2021 1:50 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] "Ascertainable creditor"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Agree with Roger. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 6, 2021 11:48:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] "Ascertainable creditor"?</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I vote ‘yes’. Seems to me that ‘ascertainable’ includes situations like this where liability is not clear.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Roger Hawkes, WSBA # 5173
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<p class="xmsonormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Sultan</span></i> Office: 423 Main (physical office)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"> Box 351, Sultan, WA 98294 (incoming mail)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"> Sultan, WA 98294<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Other offices: we are scheduling in person meetings at various law offices in</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt">North King and South Snohomish counties. Virginia will be the person coordinating</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Where and When and with Whom a meeting will be held. Stay Safe!! Our phone, fax and email addresses are the same as they have been for twenty five years</span></b><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Phone: 206 367 5000; fax: 206 367 4005<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal">Email: <a href="mailto:roger@law-hawks.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">roger@law-hawks.com</span></a>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Web site: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.hawkeslawfirm.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=K1mLMC1eFjwfeeMM-AC6zQ&m=PvdfB5OKiTA8EBc7UBW5iWVPUM08e_Pd2SKLWHzaE5M&s=_KWiWxoGhsS6f6KZ_GTKw27rQp8IYuM3j_XLoNv_iRQ&e=">
<span style="color:#0563C1">www.hawkeslawfirm.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Suzanne Lieberman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 6, 2021 11:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] "Ascertainable creditor"?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Client is uncertain whether she is required to give notice to a creditor that has sent a billing statement made out to the decedent's condominium management company, but not to decedent or to decedent's estate directly, and which charges
she disputes. The bill references decedent's unit number. The bill is for water mitigation damages that allegedly took place during our heat wave in June but which client did not authorize (client paid other water-damage bills related to her uncle's property
prior to the sale of the house, with invoices made out to the estate). Client is not sure whether the condo association is covering these charges and doesn't want to volunteer information during the notice period if it's not required. Of course, she does if
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<p class="xmsonormal">Is the creditor considered "ascertainable" if Administrator is in receipt of the bill, regardless of whether the bill is made out to the estate?<o:p></o:p></p>
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