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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">From the question, I
infer that "client" is the estate's PR. The questioner wrote, "</font>The
bill is for water mitigation damages that allegedly took place
during our heat wave in June but which client did not authorize
...." If the bill is for services subsequent to the decedent's
death, as it appears, the 4-month claim period for creditors
existing at that death does not apply. Instead it is simply a claim
against the estate or the PR and the creditor can sue the estate or
the PR subject to the normal statute of limitations.<br>
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Doug Schafer, in Tacoma<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/6/2021 13:49, Mark Vohr wrote:<br>
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Hawkes <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Roger@law-hawks.com"><Roger@law-hawks.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 6, 2021 11:48:36 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] "Ascertainable creditor"?</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I vote
‘yes’. Seems to me that ‘ascertainable’ includes
situations like this where liability is not clear.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Roger Hawkes, WSBA #
5173
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Suzanne Lieberman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 6, 2021 11:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] "Ascertainable creditor"?</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Hello,</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">One more question.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Client is uncertain whether she
is required to give notice to a creditor that has sent
a billing statement made out to the decedent's
condominium management company, but not to decedent or
to decedent's estate directly, and which charges she
disputes. The bill references decedent's unit number.
The bill is for water mitigation damages that
allegedly took place during our heat wave in June but
which client did not authorize (client paid other
water-damage bills related to her uncle's property
prior to the sale of the house, with invoices made out
to the estate). Client is not sure whether the condo
association is covering these charges and doesn't want
to volunteer information during the notice period if
it's not required. Of course, she does if it is
required.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Is the creditor considered
"ascertainable" if Administrator is in receipt of the
bill, regardless of whether the bill is made out to
the estate?</p>
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Suite 201 </span></b><span
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style="color:#500050">Legal stuff I have to
put in... <i>To ensure compliance with
Treasury Department and IRS regulations,
we inform you that, unless expressly
indicated otherwise, any federal tax
advice contained in this communication
(including any attachments) is not
intended or written by CMS Law Firm LLC to
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taxpayer, for the purpose of: (i) avoiding
penalties that may be imposed on the
taxpayer under the Internal Revenue Code;
or (ii) promoting, marketing, or
recommending to another party any
transaction or matter addressed herein (or
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