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1. Re: DSHS creditor claim 2014-2021 (Lenard Wittlake)<br>
2. voluntary dismissal of probate (Mike Zeno)<br>
3. Re: voluntary dismissal of probate (Eric Nelsen)<br>
4. Re: voluntary dismissal of probate (Dalynne Singleton)<br>
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 13:03:38 -0700<br>
From: "Lenard Wittlake" <<a href="mailto:lwlaw@my180.net" target="_blank">lwlaw@my180.net</a>><br>
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Is that also true for bills that should have been covered by VA benefits before Affordable Care Act?<br>
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] DSHS creditor claim 2014-2021<br>
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One additional fact to explore. If this claim is for medical bills, after the Affordable Care act passed, the state could not claim back medical bills that should have been covered by the Act.<br>
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I no longer have the citation for those statutes but had DSHS some years ago claim for medical expenses and then drop the claim when I raised that issue.<br>
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That could potentially reduce the claim.<br>
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On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 8:51 AM Dalynne Singleton <<a href="mailto:dalynne@glgmail.com" target="_blank">dalynne@glgmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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I received a creditor?s claim from DSHS in a probate for $201k showing charges from 2006 -2021 for a woman who had no income, no assets and qualified for Medicaid to pay her medical bills. Strange the creditor claim is not filed as a ?lien?.<br>
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Can someone point me to authority to claim this creditor claim dating back 15 years ? is there no enforced statute of limitations? There are no assets but for being a beneficiary of potential wrongful death monies from the death of her son before her. I?ve reviewed RCW 43.20B.080 and 41,05A.090 and WAC 182.527 and see no authority to get WD monies from an Estate ? but I?ve had a commissioner in the past take these WD monies which are not ?estate? probate assets and pay all kinds of Administrative and funeral expenses in an Estate (Pierce County case).<br>
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Once the amount of WD monies are known, if this is a valid creditor claim which would take 100% or more, I anticipate filing a Notice of Insolvency but want to know other options. <br>
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The WD monies are not estate assets by statute (RCW 4.20). This estate was opened to receive wrongful death monies from the death of Ms. T.?s son. The WD suit was in the son?s Estate but the mother is one of the beneficiaries and her estate was opened. She is survived by 3 daughters who have claims to the WD monies outside of probate. Potentially, this creditor will get 100% of the WD monies if I don?t do something about it.<br>
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Anyone successfully argued DSHS gets -0- of the WD monies?<br>
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 23:18:24 +0000<br>
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How does one go about voluntarily dismissing a probate? Details/context: It was filed recently-PR appointed, letters issued-but that's all. No appearances. Intestate. Sole asset a chose in action (decedent died while her PI claim was pending). PR is decedent's mother. No spouse or kids.<br>
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Is there any reason I can't just voluntarily dismiss under CR 41?<br>
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I think a Motion to Dismiss is a route-or perhaps styled as "Motion to Cancel Letters and Close Probate Without Administration." But it's not CR 41 so much as the court's equitable authority to dismiss an unnecessary probate. From briefing I used a few years back:<br>
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In probate, a lower court's decision to decline or accept jurisdiction "is a matter resting largely in the discretion of the court." Murphy v. Murphy, 42 Wash. 142, 149, 84 P. 646 (1906). The court has discretion to refuse to commence administration when there appears to be no need for one. In re Peterson's Estate, 137 Wash. 137, 241 P. 964 (1926). Even after one has been commenced, the court may revoke the Administrator's Letters "for the sole purpose of ending an unnecessary administration." Murphy at 150. The decision to appoint or remove a PR in general rests in the discretion of the court, and will not be disturbed in the absence of a clear showing of abuse of discretion. In re St. Martin's Estate, 175 Wash. 285, 289, 27 P.2d 326 (1933).<br>
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I think it only works if the PR truly has no assets, nothing to deal with, and really hasn't achieved anything and no one has appeared and there's nothing that needs to be done.<br>
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How does one go about voluntarily dismissing a probate? Details/context: It was filed recently-PR appointed, letters issued-but that's all. No appearances. Intestate. Sole asset a chose in action (decedent died while her PI claim was pending). PR is decedent's mother. No spouse or kids.<br>
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Is there any reason I can't just voluntarily dismiss under CR 41?<br>
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Did you open so that the monies could be gotten from the PI settlement?<br>
You need to do what the minimum requirements in a probate are for WA before you dismiss if the PR used her authority given by the Letters/court in any way.<br>
If no monies came to the Estate from the PI settlement, then you can close by stipulation and order signed by the Court.<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> On Behalf Of Mike Zeno<br>
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Subject: [WSBAPT] voluntary dismissal of probate<br>
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How does one go about voluntarily dismissing a probate? Details/context: It was filed recently-PR appointed, letters issued-but that's all. No appearances. Intestate. Sole asset a chose in action (decedent died while her PI claim was pending). PR is decedent's mother. No spouse or kids.<br>
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Is there any reason I can't just voluntarily dismiss under CR 41?<br>
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 18:56:03 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: Lisa Kay Mikkelson <<a href="mailto:mikkelsonlk@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mikkelsonlk@yahoo.com</a>><br>
To: WSBA Probate <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
Subject: [WSBAPT] Testator/Testatrix Unable to Sign Name to Documents<br>
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Good Morning All,<br>
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Has anyone had a client who could not hold a pen to sign updated estate planning documents???I reviewed RCWs 11.12.030, 42.45.070, and 64.08.100.? Using these statutes there was no problem with the QCD and REET Affidavit filed with the county.<br>
For the Will, DPOAs, and Health Care Directive, I plan to have an additional witness who will sign for my client on each document.<br>
I would greatly appreciate?any practical advice or issues any of you have experienced when using a signer for the testator/principal.?<br>
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Thank you for your insights!<br>
Lisa Kay<br>
Lisa Kay MikkelsonMikkelson Law, PLLCMailing: PO Box 15147, Tumwater, WA 98511Office: 5757 Capitol Blvd SW, Tumwater, WA 98501Ph: (360) 786-8010Fax: (360) <a href="mailto:754-1921mikkelsonlk@yahoo.com" target="_blank">754-1921mikkelsonlk@yahoo.com</a><br>
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