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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, John. Enuf done. If someone finds a formal statement re no collection if one of a designated class lives on the property, they will let us know.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Roger Hawkes, WSBA # 5173
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Sultan</span></i> Office: 423 Main (physical office)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Box 351, Sultan, WA 98294 (incoming mail)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Phone: 206 367 5000; fax: 206 367 4005<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Email: <a href="mailto:roger@law-hawks.com">roger@law-hawks.com</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Web site: <a href="http://www.hawkeslawfirm.com/">www.hawkeslawfirm.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John McCrady<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 9, 2021 1:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] estate recovery liens<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It may be in the statute somewhere but I know it is in WAC 182-527-2738<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(3) The agency may not recover from the client's estate so long as there remains: (a) A surviving spouse; or (b) A surviving child who: (i) Is age twenty or younger; or (ii) Is blind or disabled as defined in WAC 182-512-0050.<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">John McCrady<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Puget Sound Title Company<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">5350 Orchard Street West<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">University Place WA 98467<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">253-476-5721<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:j.mccrady@pstitle.com">j.mccrady@pstitle.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT",serif;color:#1F497D">Beginning July 26, 2021, recording fees for most documents recorded in Washington
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Please be sure to collect recording fees accordingly. Due to the above increase, our Reconveyance fees will also be increased by $100.00</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:6.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Email hacking and fraud are on the rise to fraudulently misdirect funds. Please call your escrow officer immediately using contact information
found from an independent source, such as the sales contract or internet, to verify any funding instructions received. We are not responsible for any wire sent by you to an incorrect bank account.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 09, 2021 12:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] estate recovery liens<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John: is the ‘not enforce’ part embodied in a wac or letter?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Roger Hawkes, WSBA # 5173
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Sultan</span></i> Office: 423 Main (physical office)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Box 351, Sultan, WA 98294 (incoming mail)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Sultan, WA 98294<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Phone: 206 367 5000; fax: 206 367 4005<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Email: <a href="mailto:roger@law-hawks.com">roger@law-hawks.com</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Web site: <a href="https://f.xdref.com/?id=179Jco1o004982&from=wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com&to=j.mccrady@pstitle.com&url=http://www.hawkeslawfirm.com/">
www.hawkeslawfirm.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Diane J. Kiepe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 9, 2021 12:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] estate recovery liens<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">Thank you John, I thought I could be treading on unfamiliar ground -<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold"">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold""><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Douglas Eden<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">717 W. Sprague Ave.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Suite 1500<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Spokane, WA 99201<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:djkiepe@depdslaw.com">djkiepe@depdslaw.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">509-455-5300<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John McCrady<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 9, 2021 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] estate recovery liens<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">See RCW 43:20B and WAC 182-527-2738<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">generally the liens are good for 20 years, but the agency will not enforce when there is a surviving spouse
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">John McCrady<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Counsel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Puget Sound Title Company<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">5350 Orchard Street West<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">University Place WA 98467<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">253-476-5721<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:j.mccrady@pstitle.com">j.mccrady@pstitle.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><img border="0" width="420" height="129" style="width:4.375in;height:1.3472in" id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image004.jpg@01D78D1F.13343490" alt="Picture4"></span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT",serif;color:#1F497D">Beginning July 26, 2021, recording fees for most documents recorded in Washington
</span></b><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="https://f.xdref.com/?id=179Jco1o004982&from=wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com&to=j.mccrady@pstitle.com&url=https://www.piercecountywa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/105275/Recording-Fee-Schedule-Effective-Jul-25-2021-"><b><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT",serif">will
increase by $100</span></b></a></span><b><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT",serif;color:#1F497D">. Please be sure to collect recording fees accordingly. Due to the above increase, our Reconveyance fees will also be increased by $100.00</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:6.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">WARNING-FRAUDULENT FUNDING INSTRUCTIONS
</span></b><b><span style="font-size:4.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:6.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Email hacking and fraud are on the rise to fraudulently misdirect funds. Please call your escrow officer immediately using contact information
found from an independent source, such as the sales contract or internet, to verify any funding instructions received. We are not responsible for any wire sent by you to an incorrect bank account.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Diane J. Kiepe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 08, 2021 11:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] estate recovery liens<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">Shannon,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">I hesitate to respond but since I haven’t seen an answer will tell you my off the cuff understanding. Medicaid recovery liens attach to and run with the real property. As such, these are a cloud on title
and don’t expire. This is a difference between a claim from the DSHS and the actual Lien.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">I will say thought that DSHS has to take steps before filing the lien – you should confirm notice was provided and offer for an administrative hearing. If they cannot show they did their steps, I would argue
the lien should be voided (at least start there). Also, you may want to shat with others on experiences reducing liens. If the property has a lot of equity, that may be unlikely but I have heard that DSHS is very open to working with people.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">I hope you get a few more responses – I’d look forward to reading them as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold"">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Diane J. Kiepe<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Douglas Eden<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">717 W. Sprague Ave.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Suite 1500<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Spokane, WA 99201<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:djkiepe@depdslaw.com">djkiepe@depdslaw.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">509-455-5300<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shannon Jones<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 30, 2021 9:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] estate recovery liens<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do estate Medicaid recovery liens ever expire? Spouse died in 2005 and within 2 years of her death the State filed a lien against her home. Surviving spouse continued to live there until she died in Sept of 2017. On her death, her only
child inherited the home and was deeded the home. No one seems to have been aware of the lien. Revenue agent is now seeking to collect on the 2005 lien -Shannon<o:p></o:p></p>
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