<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">On the 2020 edition of the WSBA deskbook, which I want to buy (I just realized that my office's 2-volume edition is from 2005!) - does anyone know if a newer version is likely to be soon forthcoming, in light of the various changes to RCW 11 set forth in SB 5132, which was from the 2021 legislative session?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">Or, is there likely to be a supplement to the 2020 edition? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">Wondering if I should buy now, or wait a bit. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">Thanks,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">Sarah</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large"> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><span style="color:black;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Sarah O’Farrell McCarthy</font></span></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font color="#000000" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><b>(Pronouns: she / her)<br></b></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Attorney | <font color="#000000">Kelly, Arndt & Walker, <font color="#000000">Attorneys at Law, PLLP</font></font><font color="#000000"></font></font><font color="#000000"><font color="#000000"><font color="#000000"><font color="#000000"><font color="#000000"><font color="#000000"><font color="#000000"><font color="#000000"><font color="#000000"><font color="#000000"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span><span style="color:black"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">6443 Harding Avenue | <span style="color:black"><font color="#000000">P.O. 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<p class="MsoNormal">You might try the Estate Planning, Probate, and Trust Administration in Washington (WSBA 2020), which used to be a couple separate Deskbooks on EP and Probate/Trust and now has been consolidated. Chapters 7 and 8 go through the tax planning
issues. The book can be accessed by purchasing a subscription at Casemaker (see the “Libra Books” tab once you’ve logged in); it’s $200/yr for that book by itself. Also available in hardcopy or by subscription at LexisNexis.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think it’s worth the money; I use it all the time for probate administration and litigation. Not so much for EP simply because I refer EP work to another attorney at my office, Karin Treadwell.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks - The problem with her was that she has several properties with large capital gains And gifting them now would transfer her basis and lose the step up. Where can I research the strategies, like an LLC your family Partnership, etc.?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Client retained full control over all her assets hence the name revocable. All assets were and are within her control and therefore, not protected or removed from her estate and not exempt. RLTs don't provide any asset protection. All assets
remain available to the trustmaker even if funded to the trust. Often, laypeople misunderstand and/or misinterpret "trusts" as protection tools, it's not
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<p class="MsoNormal">In order to protect assets or remove and reduce the size of her estate for Medicaid planning, she would have had to utilize more complex strategies. One of which is an
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