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<p class="MsoNormal">Personally, I don’t think pulling a credit report is required under due diligence standard in
<a href="https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.40.040">RCW 11.40.040</a>, which is “conducting a reasonable review of the decedent's correspondence, including correspondence received after the date of death, and financial records, including personal
financial statements, loan documents, checkbooks, bank statements, and income tax returns, that are in the possession of or reasonably available to the personal representative.” Going to a third party to get a report is above and beyond searching the decedent’s
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Neumiller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 28, 2021 10:38 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">WHOA!?!?! Is a PR pulling a decedent’s credit report a part of the standard due diligence in locating ascertainable creditors. Are you guys routinely advising your PRs
to pull a credit report? Amy’s client suspected that there were student loans. Does that suspicion require pulling a credit repost. What if the PR is clueless as to the decedent’s affairs. Is pulling a credit report a part of the due diligence then?
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Amy Goertz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 28, 2021 10:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Student Loans<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Great information - thank you to all who responded!<o:p></o:p></p>
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where you can look up federal student loans. Private loans will show up on credit report. Some private student loan companies actually will discharge the loan at death now. I know Earnest and Commonbond does. There may be others.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, July 28, 2021 8:49 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WSBAPT] Student Loans<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[WSBAPT] Student Loans<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a probate in which the Personal Representative is certain that the decedent had student loans, but is unable to find any paperwork or other documentation from any lender.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Student loan payments have been suspended during the pandemic, so no bills have been received and no electronic debits have been made from her account.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the past, decedents’ student loans have been forgiven upon the borrower’s death, but it is my understanding that this is not the case if the loan is from a private lender.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to find out who holds the decedent’s student loans?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The creditor claim period has now ended and we would like to wrap this up.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Amy</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy"">Amy J. Goertz, J.D.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy"">Goertz & Lambrecht PLLC</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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Spokane, WA 99203 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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