<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Here are 2 cents from a less seasoned player in this field than most of you: <div><br></div><div>A CPA is a contractual commitment as to how assets will vest after the first spouse’s death. I don’t view it as something a surviving spouse can simply discard if it winds up not being the best method of handling things after the first spouse’s death. For this reason it’s a tool that I don’t employ unless it’s clear that absolute vesting to surviving spouse on death is the only desired outcome. I do see it as trumping the will. <div><br></div><div>Though I am aware that some attorneys prepare these as an optional tool, and advise surviving spouses to choose whether or not to take under a CPA, depending on the circumstances after the first spouse’s death. I personally don’t agree with this approach. Either the spouses make a contractual commitment, or they don’t. </div><div><br></div><div>The CPA can however be drafted to permit revocation by a single spouse after one spouse’s incapacity (as may be needed for Medicaid or tax planning purposes), as well as an option for disclaimer by surviving spouse, which affords additional flexibility. </div><div><br></div><div><div>Sarah</div><div><br><div dir="ltr">Sent by dictation from my iPhone. Please excuse typos and missing punctuation!</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 13, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Roger Hawkes <Roger@law-hawks.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">One of the main reasons not to do a cpa is the inability to do any sort of complex planning, like trusts etc.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">If the SNT in the Will is for the surviving spouse, the CPA will be problematic. The CPA, if not revoked in any way, will trump the Will. I sense I may either be reading your note below wrong or missing
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<p class="MsoNormal">Concern is with CPA it eliminates provisions in their will for SNT<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would use what is most beneficial for the situation. Is there a surviving spouse? If so, wouldn’t the cpa be easier and avoid probate? What is the issue probating the Will(s).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">At time of death with will and cpa is it mandatory the cpa be used? Both wills are identical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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