<div dir="auto"><div>Thank you Joshua. Sounds like this will take some time. <br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Jamia S. Burns<br>Attorney at Law - Estate Planning <br>360-739-6379<br><a href="http://www.jamiaburnslaw.com">www.jamiaburnslaw.com</a><br><a href="mailto:jamia@jamiaburnslaw.com">jamia@jamiaburnslaw.com</a><br>Office: 1200 Dupont Street, Ste. 1-D<br>Bellingham, WA 98225 (by appointment only)</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 1:51 PM Josh Grant <<a href="mailto:jgrant@accima.com">jgrant@accima.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><font size="4">I had one of these last year. Coroner issued presumed
death by drowning about 1 year after DOD. I had several months of getting
the state to issue the certificate after I paid for it. Maybe a dozen
emails. There was some problems between the coroner and the state
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="jamia@jamiaburnslaw.com" rel="noreferrer">Jamia Burns</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 10, 2021 9:13 PM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Death Certificate - Missing
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<div>Thank you Andrekita. The information you provided is really
helpful.<br><br>
<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Jamia S. Burns<br>Attorney at Law - Estate
Planning <br>360-739-6379<br><a href="http://www.jamiaburnslaw.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">www.jamiaburnslaw.com</a><br><a rel="noreferrer">jamia@jamiaburnslaw.com</a><br>Office:
1200 Dupont Street, Ste. 1-D<br>Bellingham, WA 98225 (by appointment
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 6:19 PM Andrekita Silva
<<a rel="noreferrer">ak@seattle-silvalaw.com</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<p>Law Office of<br><strong>F.ANDREKITA
SILVA</strong><br><strong>________________________________________________________________________</strong><br> <br>.
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<br> <br>Jamia,</strong></p>
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<h3><strong>I secured a Certificate of Presumed Death under the old statute
RCW 70.58.390 about 4 years ago. This was replaced on January 31, 2021
by RCW 70.58A.200(8).</strong></h3>
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<h3>Under the old statute, the coroner, medical examiner and prosecutor had
the authority to do so if they determine there is sufficient circumstantial
evidence that the person died in their county or was last seen in their
county. The new statute looks roughly the same to me.</h3>
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<h3>I was NOT successful in persuading the King County ME to issue a
certificate. I eventually had to seek a declaratory judgment and get an order
of the court. My case was partially complicated because the presumed deceased
was last seen in a different state (Arizona) and it was believed he died there
(last seen trying to cross the Arizona dessert- so pretty likely he died
there.) Arizona law (at that time) authorized their coroner to give to their
RESIDENTS. But, the deceased was a resident of King County.</h3>
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<h3>So, if your PC lives in Washington and the lake he disappeared from is in
Washington, you won’t have the barrier I did (One of the cases I read was
litigated because a boat went down during a storm on open water somewhere on
the border between Canada and the U.S., no one knew WHERE exactly the boat
went down- cuz there was a terrible storm and no one could see … ). </h3>
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<h3>If life insurance is involved, I suspect an insurance company might
require a significant hunt and waiting period and an ME or coroner might be
hesitant to issue too quickly. But the coroner or ME is where you would
start.</h3>
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<p><strong>andrekita<br>Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva<br>1325 Fourth
Avenue, Suite 2000<br>Seattle, Washington 98101<br>206-224-8288<br><a href="http://www.seattle-silvalaw.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.seattle-silvalaw.com</a></strong><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Quoting
Sarah Smith <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer">sesmith@ballardlawyers.com</a>>:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a rel="noreferrer noreferrer">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of</b>
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Probate & Trust Listserv <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT]
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<p class="MsoNormal">Has anyone had to request a death certificate when the
body is missing? It appears that my potential client's husband, who was very
sick and in extreme pain, may have taken his life by walking into a lake and
drowning himself (shoes and walking stick found beside the water). Search
and Rescue have been unable to find the body after one week. Any guidance
would be extremely appreciated. </p>
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