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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5597;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2F5597;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>Jeff:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5597;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2F5597;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5597;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2F5597;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>I have negotiated DSHS claims (in much smaller amounts) with good results a couple of times. In both cases the recovery agent was willing to listen, explain DSHS’s position, and make a modest compromise. I simply picked up the phone and called the agent assigned to the particular case. I approached them by “wondering if you can help” and asking “if there is anything you can do” for my client. In both instances, it was very non-adversarial. I doesn’t hurt to ask if something can be worked out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5597;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2F5597;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5597;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2F5597;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>Jim Dolan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>===================<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Jones Butler Dolan, PS<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.jbdolan.com"><span style='color:blue'>www.jbdolan.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.jonesbutlerdolan.com"><span style='color:blue'>www.jonesbutlerdolan.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Mount Vernon<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>P.O. Box 2784<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>415 Pine Street <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Mount Vernon, WA 98273<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Telephone: 360-336-2939<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Facsimile: 360-336-2949<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Stanwood<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>P.O. Box 458<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>10027 - 269th Place NW (SR 532)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Stanwood, WA 98292<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Telephone: 360-629-3833<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Facsimile: 360-629-6253<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff@bellanddavispllc.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 24, 2021 6:27 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv' <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Mindy Davis' <Mindy@bellanddavispllc.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Negotiating DSHS Lien<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Heather,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>He was hoping to negotiate a price lower than the total value of the house and pay that amount to DSHS in full satisfaction of its claim; he would like to keep the house. However, I doubt DSHS wants to compromise its claim unless you can argue even if it forecloses its lien, there will be costs of sale.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Jeff<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Heather de Vrieze<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 23, 2021 4:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Negotiating DSHS Lien<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jeff,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In no case will the recoverable amount exceed the assets remaining in the estate. Are you hoping to negotiate to keep the property for the PC, or for PC to keep some of the proceeds? The costs of the administration can be paid before DSHS gets paid, but sometimes that needs to be coordinated so escrow doesn’t send the net proceeds to DSHS and can close despite the lien exceeding the sale price.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Heather<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Vladimir Script";color:#1F497D'>Heather S. de Vrieze</span><b><span style='font-size:16.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br></span></b><i><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D'>Attorney-at-Law<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=189 height=105 style='width:1.9687in;height:1.0937in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D7207C.AAE13B40"></span></i><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>3909 California Avenue SW<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>Seattle, WA 98116-3705 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>(206)938-5500 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:heatherd@westseattlelaw.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>heatherd@westseattlelaw.com</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.westseattlelaw.com/"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>www.westseattlelaw.com</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002E8A'>Click here to connect with de Vrieze | Carney on Facebook: </span><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span></b><a href="https://www.facebook.com/DeVriezeCarney"><b><span style='color:blue;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=72 height=21 style='width:.75in;height:.2187in' id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image002.png@01D7207C.AAE13B40" alt="FB Logo"></span></b></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#A6A6A6'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Nyala;color:#C00000'>For the latest information regarding firm operations and precautions in light of the Coronavirus please visit our firm’s website:</span><span style='font-family:Nyala;color:red'> </span><span style='font-family:Nyala'><a href="http://www.westseattlelaw.com/"><span style='color:blue'>www.WestSeattleLaw.com</span></a><span style='color:#C00000'>.</span><span style='color:red'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#7030A0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#A6A6A6'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#A6A6A6'>CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED. This e-mail message may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this e-mail message and any attachment.</span><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:Jeff@bellanddavispllc.com">Jeff@bellanddavispllc.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 23, 2021 3:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv' <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Negotiating DSHS Lien<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Listmates:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>PC’s mother passed after having been on COPES for the last four years. DSHS Estate Recovery is seeking return of over $117,000. Mom’s only asset is a paid off home worth approximately $70,000.00. No probate is started. Question is have any of you had luck in negotiating down on the DSHS claim (and lien) and if so, where do you start?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Jeff Davis<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>