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Creditor’s claims are debts incurred by the decedent (in other words, prior to death).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:#1F497D'>Eden Rubenstein Toner<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:#1F497D'>Attorney at Law<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:#1F497D'>Mail only: 21301 Hwy 410 E, #140<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:#1F497D'>Bonney Lake, WA 98391<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:#1F497D'>Phone 206-953-4485<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:#1F497D'>www.edenrtoner.com<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:#1F497D'> IMPORTANT: This e-mail message is intended to be confidential, only for the use of the intended recipient(s). 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Please contact me before sending sensitive information.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Inge Fordham<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 03, 2021 5:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Extending creditor claim period for PR claim?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The discussion below re: <a href="https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.40.140">RCW 11.40.140</a> pertains to claims against a decedent. I’ve heard mixed opinions about whether a personal representative with non-intervention powers must (or should) seek court approval for reimbursement of estate expenses. Must a PR go through the procedure set forth in RCW 11.40.140 for reimbursement of estate expenses? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=75 valign=top style='width:45.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times;color:black'><img border=0 width=96 height=95 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image002.png@01D710C2.77D29BF0" alt="uc%3fexport=download&id=1W3rEcChy0_E0cCfV5up02mkhwnL6eWIs&revid=0B4P5JoIHdbFaR29EbHlRWHFseFV5STZpSUVGeUNPWldkVDFVPQ"></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=712 valign=top style='width:427.25pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in'><b><span style='font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#203864'>Inge A. Fordham | Attorney</span></b><b><span style='font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:3.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:black'>Fordham Law, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:3.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:black'>3218 Sixth Avenue | Tacoma, WA 98406<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:3.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:black'>Office: (253) 348-2657 | Mobile: (206) 778-3131<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:3.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.fordhamlegal.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.fordhamlegal.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#7D888E'>Confidential Communication:</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#7D888E'> This email is sent to a recipient on behalf of an attorney/law firm, and is information intended exclusively for the individual, entity or company to which it is sent. This communication may contain proprietary, privileged or confidential information or may otherwise be legally exempt from disclosure other than to the intended recipient. If you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or otherwise disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by email or other communication and delete all copies of the message.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> on behalf of Eric Nelsen <eric@sayrelawoffices.com><br><b>Reply-To: </b>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, February 8, 2021 at 10:36 AM<br><b>To: </b>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [WSBAPT] Extending creditor claim period for PR claim?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I agree with Heather—if this is a creditor claim by the PR, the PR must file it within the 4-month deadline. While technically a PR would be, via self-knowledge, a “reasonably ascertainable” creditor and so shouldn’t be barred unless the PR mailed a copy of the Notice to Creditors to themselves, I can’t believe (or I don’t want to believe) that any court would apply the language of the statutes so literally as to benefit the PR and allow them to file their claim any old time within 2 years because they didn’t “give notice” to themselves.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Side note, that the requirement of using the TEDRA petition procedure for approval of the claim, per <a href="https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.40.140">RCW 11.40.140</a>, means a separate case has to be filed. This is nonsensical and counterproductive, but true because of the <a href="http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/Session%20Laws/Senate/5135-S.SL.pdf?cite=2013%20c%20246%20%C2%A7%202">2013 amendment</a> to <a href="https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.96A.090">RCW 11.96A.090(2)</a>, which eliminated the option of filing a TEDRA petition under the existing probate caption, and now only allows filing as a separate case.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Eric<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>1417 31st Ave South<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Seattle WA 98144-3909<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>206-625-0092<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>eric@sayrelawoffices.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='background:aqua;mso-highlight:aqua'>Covid-19 Update - </span></b>All attorneys are working remotely during regular business hours and are available via email and by phone. Videoconferencing also is available. Signing of estate planning documents can be completed and will be handled on a case-by-case basis. Please direct mail and deliveries to the Seattle office.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Suzanne Lieberman<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 8, 2021 9:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com<br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Extending creditor claim period for PR claim?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Good morning,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Any way to extend the 4-month creditor claim period set to expire in a few days? Client PR just came forward with potential claims for reimbursement for her decedent mother's caregiving expenses prior to her death. I realize that we would have to file a petition under TEDRA, but this would also give the other heirs the opportunity to object, and obviously further creditor claims to be presented, but I also just need to know if extending the creditor claim period is even possible, and if so, if anyone has a template for such. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#500050'>Sincerely, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#500050'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#500050'>Suzanne Lieberman</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#500050'><a href="http://cmslawfirm.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>CMS Law Firm LLC</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:#500050'>811 Kirkland Ave. Suite 201 </span></b><span style='color:#500050'>(please note new address!)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#500050'>Kirkland, WA 98033</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#500050'>206-383-6484 (Cell Phone)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#500050'>206-659-1512 (Main Office)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#500050'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#500050'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#500050'>Legal stuff I have to put in... <i>To ensure compliance with Treasury Department and IRS regulations, we inform you that, unless expressly indicated otherwise, any federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written by CMS Law Firm LLC to be used, and cannot be used by the taxpayer, for the purpose of: (i) avoiding penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer under the Internal Revenue Code; or (ii) promoting, marketing, or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein (or any attachments).</i></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>