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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nicholas Pleasants<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 8, 2021 11:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just tried to order death certificates online for a probate client this morning. When I selected “Legal Representative” as the basis for ordering the Long Form Certified Copy, VitalCheck/LexisNexis required me to give my full legal name
 and social security number. I had to pick what street I grew up on and what streets I did not live on. And then I had to upload a copy of the Court Order showing that I am the legal representative for the executor. And I am waiting to see if King County Public
 Health agrees that I have the right to buy the death certificate. What a pain! Now my paralegal can’t do this anymore since it needs my social security number and all of the streets I have ever lived on… Let’s see if this even works. Maybe we just have to
 have clients order it themselves and then give us a copy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> on behalf of Josh Grant <<a href="mailto:jgrant@accima.com">jgrant@accima.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, January 4, 2021 at 3:21 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [WSBAPT] New death certificate law<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">I had about 7 billable hours involved in getting a “presumed death by drowning” death certificate from the state and the coroner.  about 4 hours and dozens of calls and emails were involved with
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#004080">Joshua F. Grant</span></strong><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#004080"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Nicholas Pleasants
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Monday, January 04, 2021 11:21 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Re: [WSBAPT] New death certificate
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thanks, Dalynne. I checked the new
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WAC 246-491-010</a>, which provides (7) "Legal representative" means a licensed attorney representing either the subject of the record or qualified applicant. So it appears I can continue my standard practice of ordering copies of the death certificates if
 the client does not have it handy. I wonder if they will require any specific documentation that I represent the PR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#2B6AA4">Nicholas Pleasants</span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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2300 130th Ave NE, Suite A-101<br>
Bellevue, WA 98005-1755<br>
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<b>Date: </b>Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 10:51 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[WSBAPT] New death certificate law</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">The new death certificate law went into effect Jan 1.  There is now an informational copy and then the certified copy.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">In a recent probate, I received a court order to “correct” the person who reported was not a spouse although she reported on the death cert. that she was the spouse.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">It was not easy and took 2 court orders and 3 tries to get it right with the WA State Dept of Health.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.doh.wa.gov%2FLicensesPermitsandCertificates%2FVitalRecords&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf5115a733c5c43235d3e08d8b40a3cc6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637457303360152679%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=OcYhV4XDwJDmSg%2Bpexytwsa4lBGK7jgzbjXF1QyHnvQ%3D&reserved=0">Vital
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<b><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#36516A">Who can order certificates</span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Starting January 1, 2021, a new
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<span style="color:purple;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">vital records law</span></a> and
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<span style="color:purple;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">rules</span></a> go into effect that changes the ordering requirements for birth and death certificates.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:black">For increased security of personal information, only individuals with specific relationships to the person on the record being requested can receive a certified
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:black">Identity and proof of relationship documentation will be required. Exact documentation is still to be determined.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:black">Certificate fee will increase to $25.00 per copy.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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