<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">🙄<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 24, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Kevin Winters <kevin@winters-law.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Most likely because the spineless remind us of those living below our southern border. . .
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Philip N. Jones<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 24, 2020 7:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Pets in Will<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Leave us not forget that in Washington the beneficiary of a pet trust must have a vertebrae. Which unfairly leaves out my jellyfish (an acrospeda), my crawdad (a crustacean) and my clam (a mollusk). But it includes my goldfish (an osteichthyes)
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<p class="MsoNormal">Down here in Oregon, we do not discriminate. They all qualify.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone know the legislative history and can tell us why Washington disfavors the spineless?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Phil Jones<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Aug 24, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Rebecca King <<a href="mailto:rebecca@nwelg.com">rebecca@nwelg.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Dalynne,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Would they consider a pet trust? I am happy to send you my form.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Warmest regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Candace Wilkerson<br>
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<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Pets in Will<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree completely with Stacey. It is absolutely unacceptable for these people to have their pets put down just because they are gone!
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<p class="MsoNormal">Candace Wilkerson<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stacey Romberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 24, 2020 4:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Pets in Will<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A decision to euthanize a pet is, or at least should be, one of the most difficult decisions a caregiver can make. These decisions should be based upon the individual pet’s health and quality of life at the time. I realize that I’m using
blunt language here, but these clients propose a “group kill” upon the second spouse’s death with no other considerations being made. And that’s just not right. Each pet should be treated as an individual. Also note that if the will refers to “any living pets,”
the couple could conceivably have a completely different family of pets at the time of the second death, and all of those pets might be perfectly healthy.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many other options exist. I’ve had clients in similar circumstances make these sorts of plans in advance, and then make charitable contributions in the wills to the places where they’ve arranged for their animals to stay, to either be adopted
out or to live out their lives until it’s time, based upon health and quality of life, to make that painful decision to euthanize.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just yelled told the neighbor’s kids to walk their nice black lab and hope the mom and her boyfriend come back at me for meddling so I can blast them for mistreating the dog. So I am great with dogs, ok. But is it possible these animals
are old, unwanted and the people are worried that they will be turned over to the dog/horse refuge and maybe or maybe not adopted? I get involved, intelligently or not, and have usually tried to figure out WWSD (what would Solomon do). In other words, I
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why I prefer cold tax matters over any kind of family matters, not an admirable trait, but what can I say.
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<p class="MsoNormal">If this couple continues to insist upon killing their pets as part of their estate planning, I would withdraw from representation.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">I have a different request for a Will: The married couple has several animals and most are not well. They have no one to leave these animals (dogs and horse).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Upon the death of the 2<sup>nd</sup> spouse, any living pets will be destroyed and put with the cremated remains of the decedent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Does anyone have language for a Will or is there a separate directive to be made for directions for pets after death? Thank you.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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