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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I actually had this happen recently in a deceased father’s estate when the brother opened a GoFundMe account and specifically stated it was for the surviving minor child’s
future.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">It raised over $10,000. Here was my argument that the monies should be placed into the settlement fund annuity (wrongful death monies) for the minor. The brother of the decedent
said no and that he will make sure the </span><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">minor (his niece) gets the money when he sees fit. The mother of the minor is not convinced this will happen. The Commissioner at hearing in the
estate on the matter indicated she was sympathetic to my arguments but the Estate was not entitled to those monies (Pierce County) received after death. By the way, the brother is an attorney… There was also a “charity event” held at a bar which raised another
$2k for the minor’s college expenses…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">My research led me to believe there was an express trust created. If the mother of the minor wants to file litigation against the decedent’s brother for an accounting, I think
she has a good chance of winning that argument:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">GoFundMe and Charity Monies.</span></b><span style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> Monies clearly gained for JW’s
(minor) future and college expenses is being held by JW Brother. An express trust has been created by JW Brother on behalf of beneficiary JW, minor. “Express trust” arises because of expressed intent and involves fiduciary relationship in which trustee holds
property for benefit of third party. </span><span style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">See
<i>Goodman v. Goodman</i>, 128 Wash.2d 366, 907 P.2d 290 (1995). </span><span style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">It is reasonable to request that the monies obtained for JW Minor be included in the structured
settlement. JW Brother indicates he will hold these funds and use them as appropriate. This is hardly a guarantee that the intent of the monies by those who donated will be fulfilled. Mr. JW Brother has provided no proof that he has kept these monies separate
from his own.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I did look into filing a complaint on GoFundMe but it is a very short time period that this was allowed… Check out the site to see requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Williams-Ruth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 07, 2020 11:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] GoFundme and estates<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I will also chime on a couple points. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">1) If they are raising money for the GoFundMe that is fraudulent then absolutely report it, immediately. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2) There are also potential tax implications by those who raise the money - feel free to advise them that you have notified both the State Department of Revenue of their business/fundraising
activities as well as the IRS. The impact of this will vary as to the sign of contributions as well as the total amount received. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">That is if you wish to play hardball. Also keep in mind that if the money DOES get turned over to the Estate, then it may surpass the threshold as requiring a tax return for income made by the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Please do keep this thread going as I have made some popcorn and will enjoy seeing how this plays out!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:15 AM Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com">Eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Jill—That is great information; thank you for sharing it. Any thoughts about whether the Estate could argue that it is either a third-party beneficiary to the contract between Campaign
Organizer and GoFundMe, and/or that the Estate is entitled to a constructive trust over any funds received by the Campaign Organizer?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I started to say that the cause of action itself might be considered an estate asset—but actually, it would have arisen after death, and in some sense is a cause of action accruing
to the Estate itself rather than the decedent. The activity of a Campaign Organizer holding herself/himself out as representing the decedent's estate might be considered as usurping the rights of the PR.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jill H. Sasser<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] GoFundme and estates<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Marcus:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">I have dealt with this before. I believe these funds are controlled by the person who set up the GoFundMe (the “Campaign Organizer”), and they are supposed
to be used for the benefit of the person listed on the GoFundMe (the “Beneficiary”). I don’t think these are estate assets. Here are the GoFundMe terms:
</span><a href="https://www.gofundme.com/terms" target="_blank">https://www.gofundme.com/terms</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Note, there is a fraud policy, and I believe there is some type of insurance that covers fraudulent campaigns.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think it’s possible you could try to file suit against the Campaign Organizer if the funds are being misused (on behalf of the Beneficiary) and get an Order requiring the Campaign
Organizer to turn over the funds or to use them for the benefit of the Beneficiary, but I still don’t think they are an estate asset.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I would be interested to hear what actually happens in your case, if you are able to share.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Fry<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv (<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>) <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] GoFundme and estates</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a name="m_-1583313632182083522__GoBack"></a><span style="color:black">Anyone dealt with a situation where friends or relatives have set up GoFundme pages to cover the expenses
of the decedent’s funeral, etc., but is not actually connected to the estate? I have situation where personal representative has been appointed and discovered two different GoFundme pages that have raised significant funds for the decedent’s expenses, but
these individuals aren’t interested in cooperating with the personal representative. Who owns these funds?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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