<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I will also chime on a couple points. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">1) If they are raising money for the GoFundMe that is fraudulent then absolutely report it, immediately. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">2) There are also potential tax implications by those who raise the money - feel free to advise them that you have notified both the State Department of Revenue of their business/fundraising activities as well as the IRS. The impact of this will vary as to the sign of contributions as well as the total amount received. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">That is if you wish to play hardball. Also keep in mind that if the money DOES get turned over to the Estate, then it may surpass the threshold as requiring a tax return for income made by the Estate. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Please do keep this thread going as I have made some popcorn and will enjoy seeing how this plays out!</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent Williams-Ruth</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <br><i>Attorney-At-Law</i><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"></span></span></p><p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, <font size="1">a division of </font></span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><font size="1">BWR Consulting, PLLC</font></span></b></p><p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"></span></p><p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Office/Scheduling Phone:<span style="color:rgb(0,64,128)"> </span>(425) 830-5134<span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"></span></span></p><p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Direct Mobile: (206) 889-7919</span></p><p style="line-height:20.8267px;margin:0px 0px 1.35em;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"></p><p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="mailto:Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com" target="_blank">e-mail</a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> / <a href="http://www.Williams-RuthLaw.com/" target="_blank">website</a> /</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12.8px"> </span><a href="http://www.facebook.com/bwrconsults" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">facebook</a><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12.8px"> / </span></p><p><font face="Times New Roman, serif" color="#ff0000"><span style="font-size:12.8px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b>As of July 1, 2019 - I began operating as the Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC. Please note the new points of contact Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com and <a href="http://www.Williams-RuthLaw.com" target="_blank">www.Williams-RuthLaw.com</a> </b></span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:15 AM Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com">Eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jill—That is great information; thank you for sharing it. Any thoughts about whether the Estate could argue that it is either a third-party beneficiary to the contract between Campaign Organizer and GoFundMe, and/or that the Estate is entitled
to a constructive trust over any funds received by the Campaign Organizer?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I started to say that the cause of action itself might be considered an estate asset—but actually, it would have arisen after death, and in some sense is a cause of action accruing to the Estate itself rather than the decedent. The activity
of a Campaign Organizer holding herself/himself out as representing the decedent's estate might be considered as usurping the rights of the PR.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eric<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eric C. Nelsen<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Marcus:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I have dealt with this before. I believe these funds are controlled by the person who set up the GoFundMe (the “Campaign Organizer”), and they are supposed to be used for the benefit of the person listed on
the GoFundMe (the “Beneficiary”). I don’t think these are estate assets. Here are the GoFundMe terms:
</span><a href="https://www.gofundme.com/terms" target="_blank">https://www.gofundme.com/terms</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Note, there is a fraud policy, and I believe there is some type of insurance that covers fraudulent campaigns.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think it’s possible you could try to file suit against the Campaign Organizer if the funds are being misused (on behalf of the Beneficiary) and get an Order requiring the Campaign Organizer to turn over the funds or to use them for the
benefit of the Beneficiary, but I still don’t think they are an estate asset. <u></u>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would be interested to hear what actually happens in your case, if you are able to share.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jill<u></u><u></u></p>
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