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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Agree with John about fees - and in my letter I recall explaining fees as a PR versus fees as the attorney.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0070C0'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red'>I AM TYPICALLY IN THE SEATTLE OFFICE ON TUESDAY AND THURSDAY AND IN THE MOUNT VERNON OFFICE ON MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>Ronald G. Housh, P.S.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>Attorney at Law</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>Seattle Office:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>1420 Fifth Avenue, Suite 3000</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>Seattle, WA 98101-2393</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>Phone: 206-381-1341</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>Fax: 206-464-0461</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>Email: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:ron@housh.org"><b><span style='color:green'>ron@housh.org</span></b></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>Mount Vernon Office:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>21411 Bluejay Place</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>Mount Vernon, WA 98274</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>Phone: 206-235-2459</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green'>Email: </span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:ron@housh.org"><span style='color:green'>ron@housh.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Llewellyn<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 13, 2020 12:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Attorney as Alternate PR?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Learned counsel;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I too have been the administrator of estates, or co-administrator when the named PR isn’t bondable. Like Karl, I only do it when it’s absolutely necessary.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The thing to be aware of is you can’t charge attorney fees/rates when you are merely the PR. You get paid at the rate personal representatives are paid in the “<i><u>Greater Puget Sound Area”</u></i>, or some similar language. When I am PR, I usually charge $100 per hour for estate administration. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>And you probably shouldn’t be your own legal counsel.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>John G. 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Thank you.</i></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>IRS Circular 230 Disclosure:</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'> To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS, please be advised that any U.S. tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used or relied upon, and cannot be used or relied upon, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code, or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karl Flaccus<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 13, 2020 12:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Attorney as Alternate PR?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'>I almost never do this, but I have on rare occasions where the person is stuck, in that they don’t have family, or they don’t want to use an agency or company. I have had been appointed PR in these rare circumstances by commissioners in Seattle when starting the probate. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'>Karl<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'>F</span></i><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'>LACCUS</span></i><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'> L</span></i><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'>A</span></i><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'>W</span></i><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'>7010 35th Ave. N.E.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'>Seattle, Washington 98115<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'>206 523-0297</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0F243E'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0F243E'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'>I</span></i><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'>nformation in this e-mail message is privileged, confidential, and intended only for the use of the recipient named. 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Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0F243E'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Inge Fordham<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 13, 2020 12:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Attorney as Alternate PR?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Listmates,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Client has a question as to whether an attorney may be listed as the alternate personal representative in her will. I’ve never run into this question. Off the top of my head, I don’t see a problem with it. Is there a prohibition I’m not aware of?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=60 valign=top style='width:45.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times",serif;color:black'><img border=0 width=96 height=95 style='width:1.0in;height:.9895in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D61193.B902EE10" alt="uc%3fexport=download&id=1W3rEcChy0_E0cCfV5up02mkhwnL6eWIs&revid=0B4P5JoIHdbFaR29EbHlRWHFseFV5STZpSUVGeUNPWldkVDFVPQ"></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=570 valign=top style='width:427.25pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in'><b><span style='font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#203864'>Inge A. 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